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Randy Johnson and Hideo Nomo off the top of my head

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 06:31 PM) I've met Aaron Cunningham and watched him play. His combined numbers last year and his numbers in limited action this year should make any White Sox fan sick to their stomach. He was included in the Dan Haren trade so now he's in Oakland's system. I wouldn't be surprised to see him crack Oakland's lineup next year. That was a trade that Kenny Williams shouldn't have made. Richar may rake in AAA, but IMHO, Cunningham will be a better Major League player. If Cunningham could play 2B then the Sox wouldn't have made the trade.

Shirek is intriguing

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 08:12 PM) Dempster is a good starting pitcher in the NL. The Sox are going to struggle when we face him with that low and away slider. I've never been a fan of Dempster, but he's put up some pretty good numbers this year. I still think he's bound to fall apart, but until he does, he's good. Even so, I think he'd be the 4th best starter on the Diamondbacks...if the DBacks make it in, and Melvin doesn't completely suck at life upon getting in there, they could do a lot of damage.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 04:21 PM) Not that I wish upon an injury, but unless a key player for the Cubs suffers a bad one, they'll be sittin' a-top the NL, heading into the WS. I know it's a long year, but they will continue to win at home, and with that offense, they'll play .500 baseball the rest of the year on the road. Get hot, NYM and ARZ!! They still only have one real good pitcher. Arizona has 3 when RJ is healthy, the Mets have Johan, and the Phils have Hamels. I'm not worried about the Cubs doing a damn thing in the postseason.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 01:07 PM) I remember a number of people last year saying Retherford's numbers at GF were a fluke, he wasn't destined for anything good. No one can say for sure what his future holds, but, let's put this in perspective - after putting up a 1.002 OPS in GF in 2007, he skipped both Bristol and Kanny to go to High A W-S, and he's now got an .810 OPS with 11 homeruns in 52 games. His walk total is a bit low - that's a concern - but overall, for a 22 year old that made a 2 level jump, I'd say he's worth keeping an eye on. Not a huge point, but I've always understood that Bristol is the lowest rookie league team, meaning he skipped just Kanny to go to W-S.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2008 -> 03:11 PM) I guess it's just really peculiar timing then that his numbers went way down after the .2004 season. When I consider players that I think were on PED's, I look at the type of injuries players have and their overall hitting and not merely just power. The types of injuries players have...especially Juan Gonzalez completely tearing his hamstring or calf or whatever it was in his first AB back with Cleveland a few years back...are the biggest factor, but another big factor I look at is plate discipline. Helton's has remained constant/improved. Two guys who haven't are Delgado and Hafner. (I hate to consider Hafner. He's from North Dakota and I have two degrees of long lost separation from him as one of my former bosses played teeners baseball with him, but it's impossible not to consider him)

QUOTE (Noberto Martin @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 01:37 AM) my top 10 young pitchers (one year or less) 1. Edinson Volquez (until Dusty ruins his career) 2. Tim Lincecum 3. Joba Chamberlain 4. David Price (only reason he's not #1 is because he's only pitched 11 innings in high A, shut out innings though) 5. Clayton Kershaw 6. Clay Bucholz 7. Neftali Feliz 8. Johnny Cueto 9. Max Scherzer 10. Justin Masterson (definatly a sleeper, his sinker is Webb/Wang esque) what are you considering here? That's the biggest issue in my mind. Some of it appears to be stuff and scouting reports, other it appears to be MLB success while others appear to be a combination of both. I mean, Feliz hasn't thrown a pitch above A ball, whereas Scherzer started his career with 4.1 perfect innings and has a 2.10 ERA in his first 25.2 innings. I'm also not a huge fan of Masterson because it's so hard to project sinkerballers. Regardless, there's no way Lincecum isn't #1 on my list. Dude's ridiculous.

QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 04:21 PM) Yeah, I saw the headline on rotoworld, and I wondered what kind of snark the comment would use. I should have realized, every joke's been used and it's just not funny anymore. There's nothing left to say. If this turns out to be the end of the road, I gotta say -- As much of an ass as he supposedly is, and as big of a disappointment as he certainly is, and as ebullient as I was when his team pissed away the NLCS, he was still one hell of a talent. Adios, muchacho. I recall him considering himself some kind of cross between Nolan Ryan and Roger Clemens. I'd imagine he atleast got the Clemens part correct.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ May 29, 2008 -> 01:46 PM) That's the kind of advice Chuck Finley could have used a few years ago. took way too long

QUOTE (quickman @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 09:18 PM) Well if you think you can win the division without him then trade him, i still say he is a leader for the team and will turn things around as the year goes on. We have an opportunity to stay in this thing longer because the Tigers and Indians are playing worse than we are right now. Trading away your best pitcher in the last several years is a good idea only if you think Broadway has the NADS to help us get in the playoffs now which i personally do not think he has. agreed word for word with this post

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 04:08 PM) First off that's wrong, our offense really can't get worse. You'd be very surprised. I had no problem with the possibility of giving Getz a chance to take over 2B when Uribe was terrible, Alexei looked terrible, and Richar was obviously hurt. Alexei has stepped up and pretty much taken the job, so Getz should be nowhere near the MLB roster unless it's September or Pablo/Uribe is hurt.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 07:24 PM) Please use green That's absurd.

about f***ing time Egbert does something

QUOTE (gosox41 @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 04:15 PM) Thank you for the info. I didn't realize they were 19-8 when giving up 3 runs or less. I'd still like to know how that compares to the rest of the majors the last few years. Unfortunately I don't know where to go to look it up. That's not a stat that's generally available...you'd have to research something like that. Baseballreference.com has every box score from the last gazillion years, so the information is out there, it just isn't organized.

QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 01:01 AM) Whoever had TB is an idiot. They just signed Longoria to a 6 year deal and Alvarez wants a major league contract. They will NOT take Alvarez, nothing is more clear than that Carlos Pena isn't exactly young.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ May 31, 2008 -> 11:55 PM) Its part of the scouting report. This has been for years a fastball hitting team. Changeups and breaking pitches are this teams downfall. The Sox have hit pitchers with good fastballs for the past 10 years quite consistently. Kevin Millwood is one of the few who has shut the Sox down pretty well, but even he has been hit around by the Sox here and there.

QUOTE (gosox41 @ May 31, 2008 -> 09:35 PM) I swear I heard these lines before. I think it was a year ago in 2007. Bob can we seriously stop f***ing relating the 2007 team to the 2008 team? In case you didn't notice, it's a different year and a completely different team. f***in a

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 30, 2008 -> 04:34 PM) Lets not get crazy here. Scherzer has a great fastball, good command and multiple good pitches. The only major question-marks around him are related to his delivery and the amount of stress he puts on his arm. If he stays healthy there is absolutely no reason he will be pitching anywhere but one of the top 3 spots in a teams rotation. That's the thing, he's not going to stay healthy with those mechanics he has now. He puts so much damn stress on his arm that he'll end up having Tommy John giving him a visit within the next year or so if he doesn't get that figured out. It's nasty, and that's not a good nasty either. His stuff is a good nasty, but that has a lot to do with his current mechanics. I think Scherzer has a ways to go, but he looks good right now anyways. QUOTE (jackie hayes @ May 30, 2008 -> 04:55 PM) His curve is great, but comparing him to Liriano? 2006 Liriano was one of the most dominant pitchers I've ever seen. There was one pitch in Kerry Wood's 20-k game where some announcer said, God couldn't hit that curve. That's a decent description of about half the sliders Liriano threw that year. Liriano's not "maybe" in that boat, he's driving the damn thing. Quite honestly, good luck to anyone finding a more dominant pitcher pitching with absolute pure stuff for even just one half of a season since Sandy Koufax. You'll struggle mightily. Not sad to see Liriano go down as a Sox fan, but seeing a pitcher with Liriano's potential go down does kind of suck. With that stuff he had, he was a Hall of Fame pitcher. Now that he's had to change his mechanics (and without having seen him), I'd imagine the slider has lost 4-6 inches of bite and the fastball has lost 3-6 MPH. That kind of stuff might get him a middle relief role someday getting lefties out, but even Pablo Ozuna can hit s*** like that. He is also with the Twins, so I imagine he'll be throwing better than he was when he went down with better bite on the slider and more speed on the fastball. I've come to expect stuff like that.

Somewhat relevant, somewhat trivial at this point...I would like to point out the fact that Soxtalk was put under scrutiny by Sports Illustrated a few years back for the Roger Clemens positive steroids test, when he "never" "tested" "positive" "for steroids." The Mitchell Report has helped clear some of that up, and Clemens isn't doing himself any favors nowadays either. (if he does end up [admitting/convicted] [to/of] steroid use, I really hope SI issues an apology to Soxtalk)

QUOTE (BearSox @ May 31, 2008 -> 12:51 AM) I hope we DFA Uribe. I don't...he has much more value to this team than Pablo Ozuna does. If anything, I hope he's DFA'd.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 31, 2008 -> 02:22 AM) Can you believe KC has lost 12 in a row? Shows what can happen to a season. A team's season can go in the tank in 2 weeks. KC is not that bad, but at this time the team looks like it will never win another game. Billy Butler is in minors after hitting 1 home run ... one. Let's hope he stays down there. He and Guillen are about the only 2 Royals who will threaten our staff. KC has virtually no power at all within that lineup. Fans that are sick of the homer really should look at KC to see what can happen when you can't hit the homer at all and your offense goes cold. Quite frankly, it's not pretty. Anyways, Alex Gordon is good.

QUOTE (BearSox @ May 31, 2008 -> 01:06 AM) Ryan Sweeney was placed on the DL with a toe contusion. I blame it on his inability to hit inside pitches with any power /joking

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ May 30, 2008 -> 07:28 PM) I think the most encouraging thing is his awesome control. 61 K's and just 8 walks. Thats remarkable. As we saw with MacDougal, you can have electric stuff, but if you can't locate it, it dosen't matter. I love that this kid is throughing through a teacup. I am really excited about him just from what we have read and seen through his stats. I'd bet damn good money he's not throwing through a teacup in A ball. In fact, I'd venture to guess he's getting quite a few generous calls down there that he wouldn't dream about getting in AA. His control's a bit overrated. He's one to watch, but I'd look at how he does in AA or get a velocity report before I'd even consider Carter a prospect. Not a non-prospect, just a wait-and-see minor leaguer. Similar to Cook.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ May 30, 2008 -> 11:35 AM) 1.The Sox were terrible in 2007. 2.Iguchi was a veteran and was on the last year of his deal. 3.The Sox wanted to see what they had in Richar 4.If they felt Richar wasn't cutting it, they could have signed Iguchi in the off-season I think those four are good enough To add on to this, he also would not net draft picks for the Sox due to international free agency rules which basically state that you can't offer arbitration to them within their first 6 years of service time. Getting something for him was better than getting nothing. I also imagine that it was a bit of a favor to Gillick by KW for the Freddy trade because Freddy was absolutely terrible for them.