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It's not going to happen without the Yankees/Boone orchestrating it as a PR gesture to quell a rising firestorm.

The White Sox fanbase has changed...or we just always have had blinders on for those next to us in the crowd cheering for the same team. It's one aspect of Reinsdorf's tenure that people can't quibble with...giving everyone opportunity regardless of race, religion or socio-economic background.

LOL. Both sides. Two hot heads. Totally equivalent. If you a PoC this wouldn't be your position as someone on the receiving side of it. Now we're simply circling back to the "just shut up and play" argument that dates back to Kapaernick and LeBron.

By this argument we will never have racism because only that individual knows what's really truly in their heart...we have actions, and consistent ones over time, but that's not proof, either. I'm sure Curt Schilling can pontificate for hours on the subject of what makes him not a racist but an cancel culture patriot.

Every media personality has a schtick today...it's not about pure journalism anymore and really hasn't been that way since the 70s and 80s. And no I don't believe that even he believes half of what he asserts or claims. Interview Joe Posnanski on Whitlock and you will get to the truth if he is forthcoming. He's a standup guy and not so self righteous as Jeff Passan. He started with the Augusta Chronicle so he knows everything about racism and reverse racism from an outsider's perspective in the South.

Whitlock makes Stephen A. Smith seem like the equivalent of a reasonable version of Jim Rome. He has been a complete bozo ever since his days with the KC Star in the late 90s. He courts controversy constantly, priding himself on going against the grain if it's anything to do with race and culture, kind of a mix of Bill Maher and Joe Rogan for sports fans to get all riled up by.

Doesn't seem Anderson himself wants to take a position on any punishment warranted or not...just keep in mind in own past punishments from MLB, though.

And the Kansas City Chiefs?

"Odd comments spark bases clearing brawl" was the headline at Yahoo Sports. Quickly switched to "Benches clear over 'racist' comment" “I think that’s very sad,” Dallas Keuchel said after hearing about Donaldson’s comment. “There’s no need, or room for that. Anywhere.” ..... “Believe me, you guys don’t want to hear what I told (Donaldson),” said Grandal. “We’re a family,” Anderson said. “We take care of each other. You know, it’s all love in our locker room. We don’t really deal with crazy things like that, we try to keep it away from our vibes and what we’ve got going on. But they stepped up and had my back, and showed how connected we really are.” Moving forward, Anderson said he wouldn’t petition the league to suspend Donaldson, or anything of that nature, even though he was handed a one-game suspension for a similar situation back in 2019. “That’s outside myー that’s got nothing to do with me,” Anderson said. “No, you’ll never sleep this off,” Anderson said. “It’s always going to be that.” https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-josh-donaldson-directed-racist-comment-tim-anderson

“They talked about it as a team, and [Grandal] tried to confront me,” Donaldson said. “I didn’t know what he was talking about at the beginning. I’m like, ‘What are you talking about?’ He’s like, ‘You know what you said.’ “I said, ‘Are you referring to me calling him Jackie?’ I thought that was a joke between him and I, because we’ve talked about it before. He’s called himself Jackie Robinson. That’s why I thought it was funny between us.” White Sox manager Tony La Russa said that Donaldson “made a racist comment, and that’s all I’m going to say.” Yankees manager Aaron Boone said that he had heard the White Sox were upset and planned to speak to his players about the situation, adding, “We’ve just got to stop the jawing back and forth.” Said Grandal: “This game went through a period of time where a lot of those comments were made, and I think we’re way past that. It’s just unacceptable. I thought it was a low blow, and I’m going to make sure I’ve got my team’s back. There’s no way you’re allowed to say something like that. It’s unacceptable.” https://www.mlb.com/news/white-sox-yankees-benches-clear-in-bronx

Elon Musk would probably argue yes. Not sure about society at large.

The NBA and MLB have almost the exact opposite percentage splits, it might be something like 8% American born players that are Caucasian, at least relatively close. MLB 7-9% African American something like that. One argument there of course is about reverse racism, and societal tolerance for that. The other is you would essentially have to be making fun of (while still backwards complimenting in a way, as a grudging sign of respect) Tim Anderson by comparing him with a gritty white player like a David Eckstein or Darin Erstad, certainly NOT Jackie Robinson. In your example, it was a sign of respect for your play and scrappiness. In Donaldson's example, it was most certainly not meant as a compliment at all. He was saying you should know your place, don't act like you're all that, "too uppity."

Greg, Greg, Greg. You're about to be eviscerated with this argument. And none of that will truly be about cancel culture either.

At least Ty Cobb or one of the racists Pee Wee Reese shut down on the 47 Dodgers would be closer. Nobody has ever argued Robinson was the greatest player (not even in the Negro League of that time)...but he was the right player at the right time in history. Period. Full stop. (If they were so clever as they thought, they would have brought up Tiger Woods, lol. Because there would be a massive debate between him and Nicklaus as greatest. Or Bonds and Ruth back in the day. Arguments for another time.)

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBCSWhiteSox/status/1528119995112296448?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1528119995112296448|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fyankees-white-sox-benches-clear-after-josh-donaldson-calls-tim-anderson-jackie-robinson-223254927.html Can someone get this to embed? "I don't know what's changed — and I've said it to him in year's past. Not in any manner than just joking around for the fact that he called himself Jackie Robinson. If something has changed from that, my meaning of that — has not any term trying to be racist by any fact of the matter. It was just off of an interview of what he called himself. https://sports.yahoo.com/yankees-white-sox-benches-clear-after-josh-donaldson-calls-tim-anderson-jackie-robinson-223254927.html It's obviously different bringing it up in a joking manner in pre-game...like rolling your eyes and saying now you're comparing yourself to Jackie Robinson when the two time periods are so different (or making fun of Pete Rose 3000 hits Madrigal). Compared to relentless taunting in game, "Jackie" comes across in the same way boy or the N-word would because it's another version of a code word...no different than "Let's Go Brandon!" Is that also a joke, or simply a way to disrespect someone without crossing some kind of societal etiquette line of seeming "inside joke" politeness? Two sides of the same coin.

"He just made a disrespectful comment," Anderson said. "Basically he was trying to call me Jackie Robinson. 'What's up, Jackie?' I don't play like that. I don't really play at all. I wasn't really going to bother nobody today, but he made the comment and you know it was disrespectful and I don't think it was called for. It was unnecessary." Full quote. Now #2 "headline" story at ESPN. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33959777/comment-new-york-yankees-josh-donaldson-chicago-white-sox-star-tim-anderson-called-racist

"Jackie" is most assuredly not going to replace "OK Boomer" as a put down at SoxTalk. At least I hope not for the sake of our minority posters.

Twins 17-1 when scoring 4+ runs. 4.5 ties biggest division lead of the season. +30 vs. -29 in terms of RS/RA compared to White Sox. No homers in their last five wins or games, something like that. White Sox 2.5 games behind Toronto in WC race with nobody yet between them. Indians 3 back.

Standing up for wanting to be treated with dignity and respect as a POC is not about cancel culture. If anything the hidden/insidious cancel culture backlash will try to bury this as quickly as possible and likely no suspension will come of it. Rob Manfred may or may not advise the Yankees to sit Donaldson tmrw. It is 100% guaranteed not to turn into another Trevor Bauer hot potato... How Donaldson reacts to all that noise around him, his teammates' sport or lack thereof, his manager's stance, will all be quite telling.

Calling him Jackie over and over again in the same game. Not just once. Once could be a joke, maybe. That was clearly taunting.

That's certainly not how one can interpret a significant number of responses in these threads...

CHICAGO -- When White Sox shortstop Tim Anderson and new second baseman Josh Harrison take the field together on Jackie Robinson Day on Friday, they will be the only Black double-play combination in baseball. "You don't see that every day," Anderson said recently. "There's a lot of young kids that look up to us on the South Side. I think it's only right to live our story through baseball and play the way that we do. https://abc7chicago.com/sports/how-mlbs-only-black-double-play-combo-is-passing-on-jackie-robinso/11743912/

Obviously he can't make the exact same far-ranging societal changes as Robinson, Doby, Monte Irvin, Minoso, Satchel Paige...it's just an analogy for the modern era and the consistently falling number of African Americans playing major league baseball over the last thirty years or so.

Everything. Tim Anderson represents everything traditionalists hate about baseball. Almost all of that anger is focused on black and Hispanic players. Is Bryce Harper saying similar things since he was in high school and being presented as the new cool image of baseball any different? The very future of the sport, we were bombarded with over and over again in advertising by Nike.