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Something just doesn’t sit well reading the board’s tenor this morning about being close to lowered luxury/competitive balance tax numbers. How was Hahn ACTUALLY planning to fit Machado or Harper into the future Sox payroll three years ago? Exchanging Wheeler for Keuchel, more or less, is pretty obvious. But what did we actually do with that money…where was/is “it will be spent”? Hendriks and now Kimbrel, those two are obvious, we could have gone much cheaper there, and have historically at the closer’s spot. Keeping McCann instead of bringing in Grandal. So that leaves an alternative reality of let’s say McCann and Wheeler instead of Keuchel and Grandal as the offset. You can argue which is better. So it really comes down to spending that on closers versus one superstar in Machado or Harper, take your pick. Because with all the extensions for our young core pieces becoming increasingly expensive as we move closer to 2023-24, we’re to the point where they’re capped out (at $175-180 million) for all intents and purposes. And Fathom will be annoyed, but where does the money for Giolito and Anderson extensions come from? Trade Moncada down the line, maybe? If the plan is simply waiting to eventually shed Abreu, Keuchel, Kimbrel, Grandal and Hendriks from the payroll, what are the future solutions at all those positions beyond our 1B/DH depth? Of course, that still leaves only Vaughn, Sheets, Burger and Crochet as trade bait to fill RF and additional SP depth, assuming Leury gets another 120+ games again now moving forward. Obviously, shedding Kimbrel will help mitigate this sudden financial pressure, at least somewhat, but certainly not if it commits us to spending $20 million at 2B in Segura/Gregorious/Leury. Plus we still have to replace the Heuer/Tepera spot. It’s hard not to argue that Kimbrel is the main culprit, but it still really comes down to buying Hendriks at peak instead of spending another $10 million per season on a Harper or Machado…what am I missing here?

“Which screenshot deserves 6.90m views?” It was a thread at Quora. Just reading this crazy back and forth about lying over errors versus bad plays…I actually felt like I was high. Backwards, it says “y’all went to high school, but I went to school high.” https://www.quora.com/Which-screenshot-deserves-6-90m-views Actually, reading through all the responses, it seems that someone was attempting to send a coded message, because Treasure White spelled backwards is White Treasure, so not even sure what to make of it. Time to take a self-imposed break from the board until the lockout is over…posting too much these days and no point in getting upset until we see the final 25 man roster.

13.7 fWAR / 9 years. He's not even Zach Eflin. His salary is so low I just assumed he was a reliever, but he's the quintessential back-end of the rotation guy. Which means he automatically will end up being in the 2.5-3.5 fWAR range for the Giants next year. Bleak, bleak, bleak. He's not even the type of starter you pick up on a hunch for your fantasy/roto league team.

Ron, you're not going to generate any likes for this particular running gag that's quickly losing steam... Might want to switch to a new attention-generating strategy. For your sake, you were temporarily saved by no Conforto "last minute" White Sox signing that would have quickly reversed your organizational preferences again.

Tepera's going to get more than $6.5-7.5 at this rate, and looking at the Neris deal.

Let's throw Honest Abe in this too, just to get some more representation for the State of Illinois. Kentucky, too.

Predicted for months, 3-4 years was the only question remaining to be answered. Leaving Jansen, Kimbrel and Melancon as the biggest names remaining out there...

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Kimbrel an early entrant in the race to be HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED II. For some reason, Semien never managed to be so controversial....mostly the time lapse from trade to 2/3 Top Five MVP finishes.

So he won't be THAT much worse off, financially, with a rebound. Seemed more comfortable for whatever reason in the Eastern Time Zone, or at least NL East...

Anything over $100 million for Castellanos is absolutely insane at this point in his career. With his defensive shortcomings and some relatively inconsistent years with DET, never in a million years would be in favor of that one, unless he's largely limited to facing NL Central teams.

Japan or Korea? Coverting Suzuki sounds like more likely than Vaughn or Burger, lol...Mark Teahen still available? D'Angelo Jimenez? I do draw the line at Wil Cordero. They can peddle Kimbrel to the Padres for either Kim or Profar. That actually sounds like a fair deal for both sides, in terms of the financial ramifications. Maybe not so much now with Leury also on board, though.

Lost $2 million from what he would have had performing adequately for the White Sox in August and September...and ruined Hahn's sales job for that particular trade.

Sounds like a good hire for OU. Riley already took the defensive coordinator with him to USC, without a contract signed. They have to fix their recruiting issues QUICKLY, with a flood of de-commitments. Will be interesting to see what Caleb Williams does. 33% OU, 33% NFL, 33% (USC or another univ). The craziest outcome would be Ratliffe being the starting QB at OU next fall. Venables would be one name to watch for a return. Stoops as caretaker for one season, although that makes a mess of recruiting. Fickell? Kingsbury is just using OU to get a better deal from the Cardinals, where he's in the bottom 33% of NFL salaries. The bloom is off Matt Campbell at least a little bit.

One thing we can pretty much ALL agree on. NOBODY ON EARTH (MAYBE THE ENTIRE KNOWN UNIVERSE) BELIEVES LEURY IS A SUPERSTAR 2B, UNLESS THEY ONLY WATCHED ONE SOX GAME LAST SEASON VERY VERY SELECTIVELY.

Then I would either go cheap on Melancon (the Yankees already did this with Yates, $8.25 million for 2) or simply sign Iglesias for 3-4, because he's CLEARLY the best reliever on the market, with Jansen/Kimbrel options B and C (depending on need and organization's financial situation.) Who is more desperate to get rid of their player, the Sox or Phillies? The Phillies would be okay keeping Segura on their roster. They want to dump Gregorious. The White Sox would have to accept Gregorious and money back to make this work. Unless the money's good enough to afford more than Leury Garcia (and that's HIGHLY unlikely), then most fans won't like the move for Didi at all based on his recent performance. Unless all the Phillies' closing options disappear from the table, they simply don't have to give up Segura...they can force the White Sox to take Gregorious, or wait for Hahn to blink if he feels he might need to go into Opening Day 2022 with him still on the active roster.

It's no longer Jewel/Osco? They actually sell "fresh" foods? Or there's a local chicken franchise in Chicago named Jewel's playing off the other infamous Twitter ones?

Okay, Hahn and Haber and the front office types and those putting together LinkedIn profiles about scouting/evaluation definitely care about such things. The media cares, because they spent a number of articles this summer focusing on it, like we had totally turned around our draft and development system because of the emergence of Sheets. But yeah, there's no mythical championship for having the most "homegrown" players on any given roster. I guess it's fun for those who obsessively track prospects/farm systems, etc. Most of 2005's World Series-winning roster were KW imported specials.

Then it would have been better just to say 5 bad plays/misjudgements/mental and physical errors/bad routes/misreads, whatever. Literally, an error is either in the official boxscore, OR, it's not. No grey areas. Although sometimes decisions are appealed to the Commissioner's Office. I think the statute of limitations already passed on his ALDS play/s.

That would be another 'psychological' defeat to lose yet another Sox first-round pick due to badly miscalculating the market for Kimbrel. With Collins, Fulmer, Burdi...Rodon likely gone, Madrigal traded, we'd be down to just TA, Crochet and Vaughn after they were crowing (patting themselves on the back, really) about their #1 draft picks all contributing last year with a number of puff pieces. And who knows how long Vaughn, Crochet and Sheets will be around.

Literally, you are wrong as they were not OFFICIAL errors according to the scorekeeper. Everyone who was watching the games know they were mental/physical mistakes...and plays weren't made that ordinarily should have been by the "average" fielder in those particular situations. In spirit, definitely you are right, because Leury's return is more or less a general acceptance of some of the sloppy habits of our fielders that was never corrected during the course of the 2021 season. To expect big changes at this advanced point in his career would require bringing in Rusty Kuntz to work specifically with Leury, Eloy, Sheets and Vaughn on outfield defense.

https://southsideshowdown.com/2019/08/28/chicago-white-sox-leury-garcia-everyday-player/