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QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 28, 2016 -> 06:17 PM) Sox are overall 9-8 against the division. 6-0 against the Twins. Do the math. They can't beat Cleveland, they can't beat K.C. They have ZERO chance if that doesn't change. (And they haven't beaten teams in the division on a regular basis in years...) Mark Or really played well at home...perhaps since 2008 (or that 26-5 stretch in 2010, but even most of that was on the road if memory serves correctly, against NL East teams).

I remember the good 'ol days when Lip was perceived to be fairly optimistic over at WSI. Amazing what all this losing will do to fans over time. It gets to the point where you expect things to go wrong so you can't be too surprised or upset....but then, when they were 6 outs from being 14 games over .500 (and somehow surviving the previous game and getting a grand slam from Frazier), you could finally feel things turning for the better and a playoff appearance in the offing. It didn't feel automatic, but pretty close to "likely" at least. And, to top it off, we don't even have the right to suffer like Cubs, Padres, Mariners or Indians fans, because it's only been 11 years since the World Series!!! Heck, even the Marlins got two World Series titles to go with all their suffering, two within the span of six years.

Trying to take focus off baseball for awhile, decided to read HIROSHIMA by John Hershey to put things in perspective. Still hoping this trade doesn't go through unless the Padres are eating roughly $16-18 million out of the $56 million we'd end up owing.

Balta's alive!!! Watched the replay of that last pitch to Eibner. Talk about center-cut. Guess you can't blame Kahnle after he was put in that position in the first place and getting squeezed on the strike zone, your primary thought is not to walk him.

15:$10M, 16:$21M, 17:$21M, 18:$21M, 19:$16M club option ($2M buyout) perks: hotel suite on road deal does not include no-trade clause, but Shields may opt out of contract after 2016 season (no later than 3 days after World Series) $44 million, plus $14 million this year. $58 million total. Would still be one of the five biggest contracts in Sox history. Now it's getting REALLY infuriating they didn't add that hitter in the offseason when they had the opportunity to do so. (Of course, with the White Sox luck, it would have been Gordon instead of Cespedes/Fowler/Desmond and we'd be stuck with another bad deal.)

Well, at least the Tigers are losing 12-3. They can't get to within 1 1/2 games. Maybe Baltimore can mount a similar comeback, down 10-4 now, lol...

You know there's a BIG problem when fans feel like there might be more benefit to the long-term future of the organization when they lose (and openly root for that to occur)...whether the losing's consequence/perceived benefit is about higher draft picks or Robin Ventura getting fired, Hahn, KW, etc.

Yeah yeah, and if we'd just gone 13-4 to get to 1/2 game game behind the Indians and tied with the Royals, etc. But psychology doesn't work that way.

So much for adding the hitter we actually need about 2-3X as much... Well, then again, if Carson Fulmer's not to be counted on for 2017, they have to do SOMETHING, but this isn't the first move that comes to mind.

Well, one thing's for sure. Shields was credited with being the main leader to turn the Royals around in 2013 and 2014. This would be an even bigger test, to right this sinking ship and fast. If nothing else, it buys Robin Ventura 2-3 more weeks of time. It's also almost comical how Miguel Gonzalez is going to lose his spot when he has nothing to do with losing his last couple of starts. Poor guy has 13 consecutive outings where he started and his team (Balt and the Sox) has lost. I'm sure he planned on having a much bigger 32nd birthday celebration last night when he left the game with a "safe" lead. Almost would rather replace Latos in the rotation, but that won't happen.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ May 28, 2016 -> 04:16 PM) I'll be sick yo see them trade for Shields. There's no point now. Just blow it all up and hit the reset button now. Now the stadium will go back to being a ghost town next home stand. Unless there's a national sado-masochism festival in town...

QUOTE (Deadpool @ May 28, 2016 -> 04:14 PM) Worst run team I can remember. How is JR okay with this? Fans will voice their frustration with their wallets which will swiftly be criticized by White Sox brass At least the Dollar Bill Blackhawks could draft KW at least has been successful at getting White Sox fans to turn on each other for not supporting the team...instead of focusing their anger at the most appropriate targets. That's been his biggest accomplishment by far the last five years or so, protecting his job.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 28, 2016 -> 04:12 PM) Some tweets by respected baseball writers: Jonah KeriVerified account ‏@jonahkeri 44m44 minutes ago Better leave David Robertson in for 9 more hits, just to be sure Rany Jazayerli ‏@jazayerli 29m29 minutes ago Special shoutout to Robin Ventura, who among other things deliberately walked the bases loaded, ensuring his pitcher had no margin for error Joe Sheehan ‏@joe_sheehan 46m46 minutes ago There's a pretty good "30 For 30" to be done on Robin Ventura's bullpen management the last 18 hours or so. If the Red Sox just pulled this comeback off, it would become an instant ESPN CLASSIC program.

Getting openly mocked by Royals fans...Rany is a huge one. THE BIGGEST IRONY IS THAT VENTURA USED THE EXCUSE OF NOT WANTING TO WALK HOSMER FOR JONES TO FACE PEREZ IN A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION LESS THAN 24 HOURS AGO...BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE PUT TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON THE MUCH MORE EXPERIENCED NATE JONES.

2007 is NOT a season you want to be compared to, lol... And, to think, if only Ventura had managed the bullpen correctly Friday night, he wouldn't have felt the need to force him into a game in a dreaded non-closing situation just to get some work in because he would have recorded the save last night and the White Sox would now be up 2 1/2 games on CLE and 4 on the Royals. It never fails...

If they trade Tim Anderson for a middling starting pitcher when that's not even on the Top 10 list of team needs at the moment...I will petition Harvard to retroactively take back Hahn's JD degree.

Waiting for Jim Margalus to lose it at SSS...SOMEONE has to go off, if it's not going to be KW anymore. This has to be the most shocking White Sox loss, that and one they ALSO lost to KC in August or September 2005 when I went to bed (was working in Colombia as the time) and when I woke up, a similar lead had disappeared and the panic really started to set in about the Indians catching the Sox...2005 is about all we have left to hold onto. Just plug that DVD back into the player to counteract this, I guess.

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ May 28, 2016 -> 03:57 PM) This game may end up being a pretty one in Sox history. It is time to throw out any thoughts of Hahn or KW's "3 year" plan. No need to trade for Shields or take on any expensive contracts. This team has absolutely no chance to compete in the Central anytime soon. Cleveland is going be very good for the next 2-3 years and KC is just KC. They own the Sox and that doesn't look like it is going to end any time soon. Step one=Fire Ventura immediately. Step 2= fire KW and Hahn in the offseason. Step 3 = start the rebuild Getting the most value out of players like Frazier might happen at this year's deadline, though. Hard to imagine reading Fathom talking just 24 hours ago about signing him to a contract extension when, as of today, it feels just as likely they'll end up trading him. Tigers just scored two to tie it up in OAK. Blood is in the water, officially. Crazy to imagine the Tigers could pass us by Monday.

QUOTE (juddling @ May 28, 2016 -> 03:52 PM) I always hear how JR is loyal to his former players...well i wish some reporter would ask him 'When is it time to be loyal to the fans???" Robin may not be the whole problem but he's a BIG percentage and since you can't fire a whole bullpen the manager needs to go. I think i'm gonna throw names in a hat and pick a new team to root for until RV is gone. I was ALMOST there this past off-season...beyond frustrating, when you're doing battle with one hand tied behind your back.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 28, 2016 -> 03:51 PM) Bad frame job hurt at the end https://mobile.twitter.com/WhiteSoxUmp/stat...672287169105921 Actually, the real end of this series was the call at 3B against Escobar being reversed, as it turns out. Two more things conspiring against the Sox. Harrelson is going to walk away from broadcasting at this rate... We also learned that Kahnle can throw REALLY hard and big league hitters can hit the ball equally as hard, if not harder. Tuesday's game against the Rangers was bad enough...losing the last two games against a crippled Royals' team, that's just too much.

3rd place by percentage points...

QUOTE (Green Line @ May 28, 2016 -> 03:43 PM) I just cant f***ing believe that one effing Rangers game has done this to us. How mentally weak can a team be to let one blown loss destroy an entire season? I laughed at the people who were freaking out after the Texas game and told them to screw off. Looks like they were right! 30 years of White Sox baseball taught me that something as seemingly small as that single bottom of the 8th was enough to completely turn the tide. It's all the more fitting, in some ways, that the end of first place came against a nearly crippled team playing without 3 of their top 5-6 hitters last year in Morales, Gordon and Moustakas. That means Greg's bet against Golden State has to be right, lol. We're technically in 3rd place already and a Tigers' win (losing 3-1 in OAK) would put them only 1 1/2 games back, incredibly.

How soon until the talk instead turns to dumping players...incredible as it may seem?

Just don't have any words. Fell asleep when the score was 7-1 and wake up with the bases loaded and Kahnle pitching to Eibner. Just can't imagine recovering from this one for a long time.

The first thought is that, well, yeah, we had a 5-1 lead yesterday and somehow messed it up. There's so much time left in this game something has to go wrong to let them back into the game, lol. If last night wasn't the final straw, it's becoming obvious to (almost) everyone that Saladino should be getting more PT.