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Ben Carson has the roughly the same odds of winning the presidency as Kenny Williams.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 11:59 AM) So 6 years into his tenure, with the Royals 134 games below .500 from 2007-2012, even though you weren't posting, you were probably thinking the Royals organization was as inept as you perceive the White Sox organization to be right now. The good news is, KW, RH, and JR should be geniuses in a few years, considering his first 6 years at the helm, he didn't have 1 team win as many games as the 2015 White Sox. Alas, we don't have a Top 5 or Top 10 farm system to draw from despite six (going on seven) abysmal seasons in the past nine. I seem to remember everyone (including Hawk) predicting how good they would be, it just took Hosmer, Moustakas, Cain and Gordon a couple more years than predicted to finally put it all together. How many games under .500 was Epstein at the 3-4 year mark with the Cubs? Was he also inept because of all the losing? The Cubs at least were in the playoffs (twice) within five years of the beginning of his tenure. It wasn't a completely hopeless situation that every fellow GM advised him against the challenge and the very high probability of failure/career suicide.

Greg appearance to defend Carson in 3, 2, 1.... Well, probably after midnight.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) If the front office could make that dream come true, they could skip Kendrick. Upton and Davis would make the Sox offense formidable enough, that they could live with Sanchez at 2ND, in order to solidify the defense. Sure, for roughly $200 million...or the current going rate for one of Greinke, Heyward or David Price. And I'm still not sure with how inconsistent Davis has been....along with buying high again. 2014 should scare everyone to death when you talk about the potential biggest contract in Sox history by a decent margin. You get your LH hitter, but which version are we paying for, exactly?

What's the most recent update with Chad Billingsley? Speaking of rehabs, I remember last year Josh Johnson was mentioned a lot (along with Brett Anderson), but seems he's just suffered too many injuries to recover.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:54 AM) Kendrick would be a nice addition I think. Mark Not at $48 million for three years when we already have three young/cheap potential starters at that position. If he was a catcher, younger SS (Desmond), RF/LF or third baseman instead, then it would make a LOT more sense. If JR had the cojones, he would dump LaRoche and sign Chris Davis and pray. But the odds of that happening in the offseason are miniscule. Thus, no Davis. And certainly no $100 million contract for a very good but not great Upton.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) oh yeah ,..... but his result are of the nl i like the tor sp Estrada But almost all of his numbers were put up playing for the Angels in the AL West...

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:59 AM) that would be the best option, but i doubt the pitcher would like that. i just saw that lackey was given a QO..... dang. Lackey's 2015 is close to Shark's entire career in terms of war and related peripheral numbers.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:47 AM) Just put the Royals stuff in the proper place Royals boy. Right by the pictures you posted of their parade. It is funny, you weren't telling us teams need to hire a guy from the Braves and the Royals were building a great organization at any time before 2014. 8 years after Moore took the job. Then you hopped on the bandwagon, and they can do no wrong. Why weren't you telling us the White Sox needed to be like the Royals in 2010, 4 years into Moore's tenure? I did tell you Jeff Banister was going to do something good with the Rangers. The real answer is nobody really knew at that time...everything was risked on the Greinke and then Myers/Odorizzi for Shields/Davis trade. Just like the Cubs/Astros now recently, they had the best farm system that time, but so did the White Sox in 2000 when they were cruising to a title and how well did thst work out? Very few of those prospects other than Buehrle had anything to do with 2005, at any rate. It took the White Sox until midseason this year to name Nick Hostetler...so while I was a bit late, the White Sox didn't do any better, either.

On the other hand, if we want to put more pressure on China to continuing to use their capital reserves to shore up weaknesses in the yuan, we're winning that policy confrontation. Of course, in the end, a much lower RMB leads to trade wars, matching or competing devaluations in SE Asia and the further dumping of cheap/subsidized products on the rest of the world (see Sinosteel vs. Tata in England) to meet impossible government GDP growth targets of 6.5-7% for the next five years. Good for Wal-Mart customers, bad in general for fair and equitable world trade.

By that line of reasoning, KW should have a permanent seat as GM/president. It also discounts the incredible helpfulness of playing in two consecutive World Series/es for a fanbase. Those win numbers quoted, not unsurprisingly, don't include the postseason and 11 extra wins that perhaps are just a bit more important than regular season games. Consistent performance. Not part of the Sox history. If we got to the World Series again in 2006, we wouldn't now have to read hundreds of posts blaming White Sox fans for their current situation. We all should appreciate Ozzie, Cooper, Hahn and KW more for their contributions in 2004-2006. Got it. And we should also ignore one of the biggest media markets in the US vs. one of the smallest and compare them as if they should be on equal footing somehow.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:25 AM) KW's quotes about the Tigers being in a better position to compete were made in December of 2007. 2008 AL Central Champions were the White Sox. Turns out he was correct, and even in hindsight, your ripping the White Sox trumps the truth in your mind. But he was also quite wrong, because the addition of Miguel Cabrera (and our inability to counter Maybin/Miller at that time) tipped the balance of power in the AL Central permanently this past decade. We might have won the battle (more like survived) that particular year after Quentin went down, but all that accomplished in retrospect was pushing back the rebuild, subsequently adding Peavy, Rios and Dunn...how was he actually right because 2008 now and the Blackout Game far outweighs getting destroyed by the Rays and also 2011-12-13-14??? Okay...KW was right I guess.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:20 AM) Oh, is that why you led with "if I were the Royals..." Because you know, that totally makes sense that you were examining it as a cross comparison to the white sox when you went on to talk about what the Royals should do in a thread you created about THE WHITE SOX OFFSEASON in a WHITE SOX MESSAGEBOARD. My bad in misunderstanding, here I was thinking you do it all the time And I've said the same exact thing here about the Twins, Indians, Tigers and Cubs as well. "If I were the...."

Because those are two more of the buy low pitching candidates available on the free agent market. Every White Sox fan in the world today would gladly trade six abysmal seasons (2007, 2009, 2011, 2013-2015) for having the best record in the AL over the span of three CONSECUTIVE seasons. As it is, we still won't be close to that latter accomplishment and it will be seven abysmal seasons out of the past ten without a playoff reappearance in sight based on every projection of how 2016 will play out.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 09:58 AM) But that is not what you did. You randomly brought up the royals and what they are gonna do because you have a 10 second attention span that always circles back to THE ROYALS ARE THE BEST EVER AND EVERYONE MUST RECOGNIZE We know they won the f***ing World Series Caulfield. We know we know we know we know. Stop acting like they are the only team that ever accomplished that feat No, someone brought up Chris Young the outfielder and former Sox prospect vs. Chris Young the pitcher. I did the exact same thing with the Twins in the past, or the Tigers. In order to defeat one's enemy, you must know him/her better than you know yourself and study their ways. Maybe the White Sox deliberately remain oblivious to their competition (KW's quotes about the Tigers now being in a better position to compete with the White Sox serving as a sort of template), but I'd like to believe they are more forward thinking than that.

And we can just as easily look at the same records for the Cubs before Epstein joined the organization and that proves what exactly? Epstein is twice the GM because the Cubs got to the NLCS twice as fast? Looking at those numbers in isolation, you would think it wasn't Allard Baird operating the team for a long stretch under Glass with the smallest amount of resources of any team in baseball. Is the GM of the Dodgers suddenly stupid now because they didn't get to the NLCS with a $300 million payroll and two of the fve best pitchers in baseball whereas in TB he was a genius? All interesting questions, but none of them answer the current problem/s posed by the White Sox roster.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 09:38 AM) Here caulfield, there is a place you can discuss Royals all day long and nobody will care http://www.scout.com/mlb/royals/forums/205...sas-city-royals So basically, if someone mentions Alex Gordon as an option for the White Sox and talks about the likelihood of his staying put, they should also have to go to that website as well? It's not a fair question to wonder what he's worth to either the Royals or the White Sox from the perspective of a veteran stopgap in the rotation?

Chris Young SHOULD get more than that, the pitcher, that is... If you look at his overall results over the last two years, and in light of his recent versatility demonstrated in the playoffs, he should be worth $15-20 million the next two, if not a bit higher. If I'm KC, you think long and hard about those numbers versus $10 million 2016 option for Kris Medlen and the very really possibility of his breaking down again after two TJ surgeries. Capuano's the only comparison there historically.

If nothing else, this shows there is a pretty high amount of uncertainty about EJ and Montas, combined with our knowledge of Cooper being able to work successfully with quite a few veteran starters (Shark and Paulino obviously went south). Does that also mean we believe a Latos, Fister, Kennedy, Estrada, Gallardo type could much more easily have their value/s maximized by the coaching staff compared to EJ, Montas, Beck, Danish, etc.? It doesn't speak too highly for our confidence level, unless there's an attendant belief Danks will also be gone well before season's end, opening up another spot at the back end OR the assumption of dealing Quintana for offensive help.

Denard Span, Asdrubal Cabrera, Rasmus, Byung ho Park, Brett Anderson, Gallardo, Estrada, Freese, Uribe...more names. Austin Jackson, maybe. Thought this was funny. In his eight seasons, spanning more than 991 innings, Samardzija has been worth just a couple more WAR than John Lackey was in 2015 alone. He might be the most overrated pitcher in the game, a confounding enigma of superlative stuff, encouraging peripheral stats, and disappointing seasons. On the bright side, it's unlikely that he'll get paid like a top-rotation pitcher, getting a deal more in line with his average career to date, and he still has the electric fastball to dream on. He would have been a disaster of a deal if he were a free agent last year, but he could be a hidden bargain if everyone forgets about him this year. http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/4/9665970/...-2016-offseason

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 08:56 PM) He's got a career wRC+ against RHP, that's pretty f***ing good. How much of that is from his earlier outlier season/s as opposed to 2013-2015? 2012-2014, and that's not including his injury-riddled 2015, he's at a 726 OPS vs. righties. So the next question is do you want for Alex Avila with his recent history (including numerous physical problems) to be the primary catcher? He is only 28 now and would be 29 on Opening Day. I'd gamble with that over Flowers, honestly. Plus he has the added motivation of proving the Tigers and his father wrong in their head-to-head match-ups, so there's that.

As I noted in the offseason thread: These moves would push out EJ, Montas (maybe pen or trade bait) and Webb, and Beck would probably join the trade collection as well. Bringing in Kendrick and keeping Ramirez would push Carlos Sanchez to super-utility or trade bait, and force Micah Johnson into that category since it's his only viable position other than DH. Saladino's status would be up in the air...waiting with Olt and Davidson for other moves to bump them. Thompson's role would be reduced OR they would have to trade Avisail Garcia.

So much for the Miller as Alexei Ramirez replacement idea...

This plan would push the White Sox payroll very close to $150 million. Would it even be a competitive roster with clear issues still lingering at 3B, starting catcher, SS, RF, DH and LF defensively, not to mention another LHR? .500ish? 83-85 wins? 85+? You could add guys like Fowler/Parra/Austin Jackson but they would cost more than Young/Pearce, and you could add someone like Iwakuma, but that would bump the payroll into the $160-165 range unless they were able to dump LaRoche and/or Danks (obviously neither would be easy). Likewise, Ian Desmond would push you up to that same range and it would probably be a minimum 3 year deal. Essentially, other than a massive payroll hike coming off a lackluster season, the only solution left is trading Quintana, a package of minor leaguers and/or Avi Garcia (also as part of a package).

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 05:54 PM) Seriously, the endless Royals comments are already getting tiring and the offseason just started. I'm more than happy to praise the White Sox if they actually do something right. At this point, Flash Tizzle, myself and a few others have made our point/s. Now if we see these "the KC Royals are totally a product of LUCK" arguments, they had to be terrible for 30 years (when Moore took over as GM in 2006 and didn't draft anyone until 2007), they're ONLY a product of high draft picks for being so terrible in the last 15-20 years, then I'll be more than happy to rebut that.