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Wouldn't have Curbelo quite so high until he's at least proven something in SS ball. What is the argument for dropping May so far? A lot of preseason lists had him 4th-6th, right? Jordan Stephens and Delmonico would be getting some strong consideration for the last two spots.

Great, it did it again. Sigh.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 17, 2016 -> 11:46 PM) So nice you posted it... thrice? Spotty VPN/Chinese Government/poor internet speeds due to the "Great Firewall"... one of the 3 possibilities.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 17, 2016 -> 11:46 PM) So nice you posted it... thrice? Spotty VPN/Chinese Government/poor internet speeds due to the "Great Firewall"...blame one of the 3

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 17, 2016 -> 11:25 PM) The plan is to add veterans that they think are good and try to win. Willing to trade any prospect except two or three. Trouble is the ones they traded last couple years are likely better than any they didn't trade. The other problem is that the veterans they pick are always averageish or worse Then there is a pesky issue of near impossibility to win by loading up on veterans without a young core. Sox had a young core of exactly 4 players which doesn't cut it. Thompson's at 863 and Semien at 732. When you look at it logically, you could have had Semien at 3B or 2B, and you wouldn't have had to trade for Lawrie and Frazier with Tim Anderson also on the way. You'd be getting much better production from CF and 2B, so the only issue would be 3rd. Uribe? Another solution would have been Desmond at 2B with Semien at 3rd, or Saladino at 3rd base again...although you're losing about 60-70 OPS points there with Saladino instead of Frazier. The optimal solution would have been Semien 3B, Anderson/Desmond SS and then Saladino/Desmond 2B with Thompson in CF, Eaton in RF, Cabrera in LF...that would have still left you a DH short, so you could have gone Alvarez/Pearce/Raburn (pretty much any platoon bat would have worked, other than Shuck/Sands/Coats) along with Avi against LHP. At most, that would have cost you $15 million, which isn't that much considering we saved $13 million alone not having to pay LaRoche. That would have given you a REAL and YOUNG core of Semien, Anderson, Saladino, Eaton, Thompson and Abreu...at least six players under age 30. You would have had a ton of positional flexibility with Desmond, Saladino and Carlos Sanchez as well. Now that would still have left Cabrera (leaving after 2017), DH and the catcher's spot up in the air, but you also would have had Phegley as part of the catching platoon and the possibility of bringing up Montas as a starter now instead of having to trade for James Shields. So we have to hope that Zach Burdi as a future White Sox closer was/is worth it. At this point, they might as well groom Burdi for that position and deal David Robertson because another year of him closing at a premium salary will have been wasted.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jun 17, 2016 -> 11:23 PM) If Hahn is left to do the job with out Kenny or Jerry not getting evolved in too much they would be fine What is that theory actually based on? Where do we get this idea that Rick Hahn is a capable talent evaluator?

Basically, they're looking at spending another $10-15 million minimum, the rest of THIS year, to legitimately compete. They're facing two teams in the Tigers and Royals with a lot more revenue or free-spending ownership or better prospects to trade or all three. The Royals and Tigers are both surely nearing the ends of their windows (2017 for both), so Glass and Ilitch are going to pull out all the stops to get to the playoffs this season and next. And the Indians clearly have the best and deepest pitching staff in the division, and that's not going to change anytime soon. With Salazar, Kluber, Carrasco, Tomlin, Bauer and then Cody Anderson and Clevinger, they've got surplus pitching as well as 2-3 really nice hitting prospects (Top 100) that are fairly advanced already. Finally, in the battle for Braun, Bruce, Chris Carter, Wil Myers, Odorizzi, Sonny Gray...we're not in a position to do anything besides taking on high salary/unwise contracts, so we'll simply end up taking on more questionable veteran contracts to follow up Shields. It's why I said ---K IT!, add Puig and roll the dice. If they're going to go down with the ship, let it be with a young/er player with talent and who's fun to watch instead of another veteran "has been." I'm quite dubious about Ventura/Steverson getting anything productive out of him, but now there's never been a better opportunity to strike...he's becoming too much of a distraction for Roberts.

Basically, they're looking at spending another $10-15 million minimum, the rest of THIS year, to legitimately compete. They're facing two teams in the Tigers and Royals with a lot more revenue or free-spending ownership or better prospects to trade or all three. The Royals and Tigers are both surely nearing the ends of their windows (2017 for both), so Glass and Ilitch are going to pull out all the stops to get to the playoffs this season and next. And the Indians clearly have the best and deepest pitching staff in the division, and that's not going to change anytime soon. With Salazar, Kluber, Carrasco, Tomlin, Bauer and then Cody Anderson and Clevinger, they've got surplus pitching as well as 2-3 really nice hitting prospects (Top 100) that are fairly advanced already. In the battle for Braun, Bruce, Chris Carter, Wil Myers, Odorizzi, Sonny Gray...we're not in a position to do anything besides taking on high salary/unwise contracts, so we'll simply end up taking on more questionable veteran contracts to follow up Shields. It's why I said ---K IT!, add Puig and roll the dice. If they're going to go down with the ship, let it be with a young/er player with talent and who's fun to watch instead of another veteran "has been." I'm quite dubious about Ventura/Steverson getting anything productive out of him, but now there's never been a better opportunity to strike...he's becoming too much of a distraction for Roberts.

Basically, they're looking at spending another $10-15 million minimum, the rest of THIS year, to legitimately compete. They're facing two teams in the Tigers and Royals with a lot more revenue or free-spending ownership or better prospects to trade or all three. And the Indians clearly have the best and deepest pitching staff in the division, and that's not going to change anytime soon. With Salazar, Kluber, Carrasco, Tomlin, Bauer and then Cody Anderson and Clevinger, they've got surplus pitching as well as 2-3 really nice hitting prospects (Top 100) that are fairly advanced already. In the battle for Braun, Bruce, Chris Carter, Wil Myers, Odorizzi, Sonny Gray...we're not in a position to do anything besides taking on high salary/unwise contracts, so we'll simply end up taking on more questionable veteran contracts to follow up Shields. The Royals and Tigers are both surely nearing the ends of their windows (2017 for both), so Glass and Ilitch are going to pull out all the stops to get to the playoffs this season and next. It's why I said ---K IT!, add Puig and roll the dice. If they're going to go down with the ship, let it be with a young/er player with talent and who's fun to watch instead of another veteran "has been." I'm quite dubious about Ventura/Steverson getting anything productive out of him, but now there's never been a better opportunity to strike...he's becoming too much of a distraction for Roberts.

Greg, a big part of that was Victor Martinez being out until he PH in the final game. The typical "Sox killer" if ever there was one. The next night, 3 homers against KC. And Yost bungled a similar situation where he burned through Herrera and Wade Davis in a previous series...was forced to use Soria as closer in the first game of the 4 game series against the Indians in CLE, and ended up getting swept 4-0 (largely as the tone was set in that first game) and losing a 2 1/2 game lead in the process. But he adjusted and they were out from the very beginning to sweep the Indians back in KC this week. Protecting that 23-8 home field advantage.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 17, 2016 -> 09:57 PM) Nothing summarizes the State of the Sox better than this. Because of the sweetheart lease deal, Reinsdorf & Co. make oodles and oodles of money no matter what, so they always remain very comfortable regardless of how the team does. Zero incentive to improve - ever. EVER! Lack of fannies in the seats and low TV ratings don't really matter much because they still make money hand over fist. That's what a lease deal that entitles you to all of the revenues without any of the expenses will garner you. It's a very unfortunate cycle for the fans because there is no inherent incentive for management to actually win, and this fact continues to bear itself out year after year after year. It's why the fans get the kind of ho-hum dumpster dive moves like we got last winter that are packaged as some sort of serious effort to "win". Low cost to ownership that doesn't threaten expected profit margins. Again, terrific for Jerry & Co., not so great as we continue to see for White Sox Nation. All the fans are left to do is grin and bear it until hopefully the next owner is able to turn this thing around. If James Shields doesn't come out of it soon, that will be the perfect icing on the cake...spending $27 million that would have been better allocated across 5 other areas (DH/OF/LH power/bullpen/bench, etc.).

As Stone said, if he got it down, with the defensive positioning at that time...it was a sure run. But yeah, it put him down in the hole 0-2 and that was all she wrote. And Frazier continues to be a dead zone in the line-up.

We're still JUST ONE GAME out of 3rd place. Yay!

One win and 32 losses when the Sox are trailing after 8.

I guess we get to test the Avi Garcia "Clutch" theory again. 18th double. And the game is tied. Avi Garcia can never be traded now. 2nd blown save for Allen, and Q thankfully off the hook. That's 6 runs the White Sox have scored in Q's last 7 starts.

Can't wait for all the threads about us ONLY being 3 1/2 games out. Those will be reassuring. Especially with Shields going tmrw. Bauer's their 5th starter.

Doesn't seem possible Avila's hitting .230. One out.

I think this string of runs scored (or lack thereof) by the Sox with Q pitching has to be breaking some all-time historical record. It's incredible. Like Dunn 2011 inexplicable. Avila, Lawrie and Avi. Some runs there in the 9th waiting for sure off Allen. 7 losses in a row and Top 5 in the AL ERA race. 7 starts, the White Sox have score 5 runs total. That's 0.7 runs per game. Not even one measly run.

I think this string of runs scored (or lack thereof) by the Sox with Q pitching has to be breaking some all-time historical record. It's incredible. Like Dunn 2011 inexplicable.

No point to leave Q in here. Already at 110 pitches and counting. Jones should be in at this point.

Poor Jose Quintana. He deserves better. That's all.

Michael Fulmer of the Tigers has now pitched 32 consecutive scoreless innings. Imagine if Fulmer was pitching for the Mets, geez. Great scouting job by Dombrowski. Had bases loaded and only one out and got Cain to hit into a DP...tied 0-0 going to the 5th.

That wasn't predictable. Blow yet another opportunity with RISP and then the leadoff guy reaches. Q really deserves to pitch for a team that will support him offensively...just to see how good he could actually be.

The Indians were having so many problems with Shaw, there was lots of buzz (see Albers 2-3 weeks ago) about pulling him from the 8th inning set-up duties...but they simply don't have a capable replacement. He gave up a huge homer to Salvador Perez last series to cost them a game. Nate Jones and Indians' closer Cody Allen both warming up.

Harrelson knew the best option there was a wild pitch/passed ball. SIGH.