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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13179916 Didn't realize Bonilla was getting $1.2 million per season all the way through 2035. That's like Herschel Walker's New Jersey General/Trump contract.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) Quit the martyr act. Post how Robin needs to get fired all you wish, just don't write it is getting tiring. If it really was tiring, the solution is to stop. No one is forcing you to continue with the same theme. Plenty will pick up the slack. Besides, since you are the one saying the team has no talent, all the prospects suck, and the team will suck for years unless they spend $150 million, why would you even care who is managing the team? Haha, well, you can go on during that time fighting with Balta. That should keep you busy. Tiresome? Stop? That's exactly what's happening to most White Sox fans these days. As far as the team goes, there is enough talent to be at least competitive, but certainly not enough to survive all the defensive and baserunning blunders, lack of execution/fundamentals, erratic bullpen, etc. I've said for a couple of weeks now that even if they trade Quintana and spend $150 million (that wouldn't even get you Heyward's attention), there's no guarantee of a team competing for a playoff spot. Some argue the AL Central is the toughest...some that it has the most parity and that it's easy to find five weaknesses with each and every team without thinking much about it. In that sense, the job isn't as difficult as the Cubs trying to knock off the Cardinals, but there's no Milwaukee in this division. The Indians have one of the best young pitching staffs in baseball, along with Kipnis/Brantley/Y.Gomes/C.Santana/Lindor as a core. And they're not even close to the playoff hunt, either. With all that said, I will continue to believe the White Sox with a better manager would be 2-3-4 games better. And that's what it will take to compete in the AL Central, not giving away so many winnable games. Mental toughness. That's probably not the first phrase that comes to mind with this organization in the last 3-4 years talking to scouts and front office execs around the game.

And they're made lots more enjoyable when Robin Ventura is defended no matter what he does...and constantly compared to Joe Torre, Bobby Cox and Tony LaRussa? How about this? I won't post at all here starting this weekend. Since we can't ever seem to get along and play nice and it's making the site harder and harder to read...let's say, two full weeks, until July 18th? Deal?

Yes, we always get their crap...the law of Sox trades means you know he's going to win 20 and finish in the Top 5 Cy Young balloting. Imagine his stats in Detroit or Minnesota with all that outfield ground to protect him from giving up so many gopher balls.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:41 AM) Nice way to not read. I said one. And one of the seven is supposedly not a black church. What exactly comprises a black church? 90%? 50% or more? 2/3? 60%?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:27 AM) Tiresome? There isn't one poster on Soxtalk that enjoys the White Sox failing more than you. You have been posting the same thing for a couple of months with no sign of slowing down. In fact, because I have DirecTV, when it rains, I often lose the broadcast. If I want to see how the Sox are doing while the TV doesn't work, I go to Soxtalk, click on the gamethread, and see how many posts you have. A lot of posts, the Sox are getting killed. A few posts, the game is close, no posts, the Sox have the game in the bag. I don't recall writing that I was rooting for losses to better draft position...at any rate, like many here, we just want a clear direction. Lose a lot, make changes on the roster, coaching staff or front office...improve for the future. Win enough to provide evidence of improvement. This whole 5-15 games below .500 thing gets you nowhere but exiled to irrelevance in Chicago. But I could say the same thing...if the Sox aren't winning or you can't hype/defend/protect Ventura, Beckham or Danks somehow, you're pretty much invisible. Today I spent three hours following on a mobile phone until the battery died because that's how long it took for a new residency permit in China. I even got scolded for having a phone out while waiting in line. You can blame bureaucratic inefficiency for my inability to hype up Tyler Flowers for a three year contract extension since i didn't have an ipad with me. Thanks for an attempt at a personal attack, though. Heartwarming that you care so much about everyone's fandom.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) Everyone see what Samardzija brought back to the Cubs last year? The #7 prospect on the BP list before 2014 as the key part? Compared to Samardzija at the time of that trade, Quintana is: Cheaper Under team control for 4 more seasons at an affordable rate Younger Left Handed (nice bonus) More consistent Has put up better seasons than Samardzija ever did. I'm on board for trading everything and then trading everything again and then trading the scraps from that...but if you don't get "Elite prospects" back for him (note the plural) then you don't trade him. That's why I think the two proposals I have are reasonable. One top pitching prospect (Zimmer/Manaea/Finnegan) SS replacement, top positional prospect in Mondesi, Jr. Dyson to upgrade outfield defense/speed/baserunning Starling for upside/sweetener/change of scenery Or Duffy/Mondesi....two positions filled for the price of one, could also include Dyson/Colon/Starling as final piece. The Royals are unlikely to give up the more proven/expensive Escobar, although you could certainly try...they're clearly not ready to turn SS over to him, preferring he replace Infante for now. Those might not be what we could have gotten this offseason...his value has come back down to earth just a bit.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:13 AM) FWIW--I heard an interesting comment two years ago during a Boston/White Sox game in Boston. The White Sox were having a bad game defensively. Jerry Remy, the Boston color man, said the White Sox do very limited infield work for a road team before a game. He thought they needed to change that watching them fumble around that day. And yet his recurring argument when there's another lapse in the defense is they've already practiced it 100 times and he's tired of talking about it/beating a dead horse. Yet somehow one doesn't ever get the idea they're overpracticing....one of many allegations made against Sandberg, too much drilling, too long on the field for practicing, too many reps, too much in the way of fundamentals/situational execution on offense and defense.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:00 AM) ummmmm wat Since it's getting so tiresome arguing that Ventura should be replaced and logic doesn't work, might as well use reverse logic to see if that makes any difference.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) I don't like a package that highlights Mondesi for Q. The Sox need to get 1 prime position player back either a C-SS-CF. Mondesi is KC's number 1 prospect but he is average in AA. So we are trading to hope he plays well in AAA next year. I think the Sox have to get a AAA or ML player who is putting up solid numbers as the first piece in a package. Now I would take him for Shark but I doubt KC does it. In my opinion, just as important is getting the right younger pitcher back from those three options. KC knows with their defense and bullpen, he's going to be a huge stabilizing addition and be comfortable with the veteran Volquez and hopefully another mentor (completely opposite personalities) to Ventura.

Then he should have simply written....by war, he's a top five lefty in all of mlb since 2012, ahead of both Bumgarner and Cubs' "ace" Jon Lester. The price is going to be a helluva lot higher than a Samardjiza rental...almost to the point where it becomes prohibitive, as Sale and Quintana rank along with Sal Perez as three of the five best contracts in the game for younger players.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 10:43 AM) What he doesn't say is what the Royals should give up. Let me guess: the org's 6th and 7th prospects, with some Rios thrown in. Jason Frasor/Ryan Madson, Paulo Orlando or Dyson and Christian Colon. Maybe they'll throw in Medlen or Hochevar, lol.

I would sit down with Cooper and go over Zimmer/Manaea/Finnegan. Choose one. Next, Mondesi, Jr. Finally, Dyson or Bubba Starling...leaning towards Dyson, would try for both. Wouldn't really want Colon as we already have seemingly five potential utility infielders. Or Duffy and Mondesi, Jr., for Quintana. Change of scenery deal for both pitchers. Coop can fix him, etc. I'm just not sure with Odorizzi and now Montgomery in Seattle they'll so easily part with more young pitching prospects. We'll see.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 09:54 AM) Quintana conversation starts with Mondesi + at least 1 of Manaea or Zimmer. It at least makes sense but for one major problem...Mondesi Jr., is going to be their eventual replacement for Infante at 2b. For the White Sox, he would play SS. And that's still arguably one player short....it needs to be someone with more offensive upside than Christian Colon, too. If Dyson could hit well enough, I would stick him in CF, move Eaton to LF and Cabrera to RF with Avi as DH and LaRoche gone. We'd get younger and more atletic...with Micah and Mondesi, Dyson and Eaton, the main concerns would be getting more offense from third and catcher. Just not sure Dyson's defense at USCF can offset his lack of pop. It would be like Juan Lagares Lite.

They're much better off hoping Duffy can return to 2014 form than trading away half of their farm system.

They already have 9 starters. With Ventura as manager instead of Yost, they would have four more victories.... At any rate... So here's a player who projects to be the same as Jeff Samardzija but without the sticker price of the name. Now, Quintana obviously has longer team control than Shark (who's a free agent in a few months) so you'd have to cough up a bit more for Quintana. Dumb ass. That last sentence wipes out the whole article.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 09:22 AM) Remember when RV was such a breath of fresh air in his first season? How all the extra infield practice made a fundamentally sound team? What happened? Did he get worse on purpose? Or was he really the cause of the improvement in the first place? If not, how can we be so sure he's the problem now? He isn't. We are dramatically overachieving. Too bad there's no sabre stat for good/sound managerial decision making.

Which is more likely, Terry Francona will be in the HoF for managing, or Robin Ventura? Wait, I know. If Robin had the same teams as LaRussa, Torre and Cox, he would surely be without peer in managerial renown compared to that formidable triumvirate. If you go by pythagorean (hello Phil Rogers), he is the best manager in the AL and Bob Melvin is far and away the worst (+5 vs -10). Gibbons in TOR would be second worst (-7). Mattingly is the worst at -4 in the NL, and Magician Joe Maddon is only at +1 with all those lucky or fluke wins. Buck Showalter, -3, not such a genius. Lloyd McClendon, +3, another candidate for an extension. Give everyone contract extensions with all that overachieving!!! If Ventura gets away to another team much closer to home, surely he will take the Angels to the World Series and beyond.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 08:48 AM) Their grounds crew uses a mixture of leftover champagne from past championship celebrations, Voss + tears collected from fans of all the teams they eliminate in postseason play to achieve the most luscious, emerald hued grass in all of baseball. Dodger Blue tears....

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 08:22 AM) How many games do you think the Sox would be ahead of the Indians if they were able to trade managers? 15? 20? It's funny, I read on here the Sox have no future. Almost all their players suck, their prospects suck, their payroll is maxed out...Yet, I also read where apparently if someone else was managing, none of this would be true. Ummm...should we have a poll with nine other managers along with Robin and you can see how few besides yourself (Greg will pick Ozzie) would have the best record since 2012 if they had been managing the same exact White Sox rosters from that point until July 1st, 2015? Tell us who you think would have a worse record and why? Sandberg? Ozzie? Who else? Buddy Bell? Joey Cora? Jim Fregosi? Davey Johnson? Valentine? Washington? Remember, Francona also has White Sox ties, back to the Barons' team with Michael Jordan two decades ago. 2-4 games per season is the difference between making the playoffs and just missing out most years.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/la-sp...0701-story.html Now it looks like DiPoto is out as GM instead...crazy.

That about sums up the 2014-15 White Sox....Leury and Dan Jennings. Family members?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/angels-offici...&soc_trk=ma Looks like Scioscia might soon be available...

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_...poto-again-odds Fight between DiPoto, Scioscia and Pujols over coaches and players not following advanced stats from scouts/front office

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 04:36 PM) the burdensome problem i have issue with, it i would like to think Sea had a better GM. Mariners fans are still living in the past glory days of Griffey, Jr., the Big Unit, Buhner, Edgar and Ichiro...1993-2003. They're still blaming ownership for trading away Adam Jones. There's no love for Jack Z, they haven't reached the playoffs under any of his numerous plans (for 2-3 years, he was obsessed with OF defense, guys like Endy Chavez and F. Gutierrez). I would be surprised if he's even GM next year. Willie Bloomquist would definitely be surprised.