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Updated, at 2:30 a.m. After some of the protesters blocked the entrances to businesses and civic leaders, including St. Louis Alderman Antonio French, arrived early Saturday, the scene calmed and the brief outbreak of looting ended. The police line was still in place near West Florissant and Ferguson avenues but had not advanced to the site of the protest line as of 2:30. Officers also did not move in during the looting. Updated, at 1:40 a.m. Several dozen protesters stood in the middle of West Florissant Avenue screaming at a line of police vehicles about a block away when suddenly some of them broke away and began looting stores. Among the places hit was Feel Beauty Supply and Ferguson Market and Liquor, which had been previously boarded up and was the site of the earlier incident where Michael Brown was accused of stealing cigars. That incident took place shortly before he was fatally shot by a police officer. Other protesters eventually lined up in front of the market, keeping looters from returning.

Timeframe: Local police chief shows video SUPPOSEDLY showing Michael Brown robbing $49 worth of cigars, don't take any questions from press Come back hours later and admit that the Brown robbery wasn't at all connected with the confrontation with the officer..that Brown was standing in the street and blocking traffic Ooops...realize this removes all the motivation on the part of the officer/s to single out Brown Backtrack and say the officer/s reportedly saw Brown with the cigars...providing "probable" cause, rather than just singling him out for being big and black and blocking traffic by being in the street... ST. LOUIS • News that Michael Brown was wanted as a robbery suspect could put a fresh light on his killing by a Ferguson police officer, a use-of-force expert said Friday. “A police officer making a stop of just a couple of guys walking down the street is very different from an officer stopping a couple of guys who just committed a robbery,” said David Klinger, a criminal justice professor at the University of Missouri-St. Louis. The circumstances faced by Officer Darren Wilson contained both elements, according to a description Friday by Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson. He said Wilson was aware there had been a robbery involving cigars but did not realize when he ordered two young men to stop walking in the street that they were suspects. Wilson made the connection when he noticed cigars in Brown’s hand, Jackson said. St. Louis Post-Dispatch Of course, this last detail wasn't provided in the first or second press conference, it just sort of magically appeared to exonerate the officer...I mean, seriously, this type of response is typical for a misdemeanor cigar robbery?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 10:15 PM) I like Abbatacola, but Hawk earns the point in this argument. Rongey always takes it too far the other way, and defends the team/organization no matter what, and every fan just realizes he's never going to give you a genuine or authentic nature because of this tendency of his to protect his job. On the other hand, picking public fights with someone who's the broadcaster for the team carried/hosted by your own radio station seems to be a bit of a stupid move. You can say whatever you want off-the-air or after he's no longer broadcasting the Sox games, but it's kind of like picking on a grandparent...we all know our grandparents (well, mine were born before 1900) aren't always perfect, in fact, my grandfather was very racist...but you can't judge those older people by the standards of today and declare yourself superior, because you didn't go through that same period of history, you can't understand the context...the cyclical nature of prejudicial attitudes being passed down from father to son until the chain is finally broken somewhere along the line. Even my mom, she's 85...and she will say "colored people" instead of black or African-American. She never uses the term Negro or the much worse "n-word," but I try to tell her all the time people don't say that anymore and it's like she can't change or filter her vocabulary at this point in her life. It's why you saw the likes of Howard Cosell and Al Campanis go down later in their careers. So I understand exactly what Harrelson was trying to say...just as I equally understand those from my generation or or the one following feel the need to put down older folks for not being so sensitive or empathetic. Plus, Hawk's got that Ozzie Guillen in him...he will engage with anyone who attacks him, and he always wants to get the last word in. (Remember all that stuff with Mariotti, Hiney-bird and then Cowley?) That's why the Stone and Harrelson pairing hasn't always worked, two pretty healthy egos, whereas Paciorek is willing to put Hawk on a pedestal and be the faithful sidekick and not get in his way or walk over his lines. I feel 100% confident John Rooney or Dave Wills would never say something like what Hawk did, they're from the following generation of broadcasters...but that doesn't mean they're better, they're just more professional and less opinionated, and that's fine. Actually, Farmer is more opinionated that Harrelson, and made comments without knowing what he was talking about (SF home plate call with Flowers/Blanco) that were more embarrassing to me as a Sox fan, because he THINKS he always knows what he's talking about.

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 02:14 PM) good post Greg. i agree in most part, 1. the league will soon be pricing them selves out of a fan base following. fans today in most cases can not pay for 3-4 tickets for a family nite out at the ball park - game thicket $, food, parking. the tv will be a cheap second to watch a game. except for the die hard fans, not that many of the family will sit down an watch a game. the young kids would rather go out. 2. the prices for some of the fa's this yr is going to be crazy. can you imagine what Jose A. will require to resign with the sox??? Which is why they have a five year window after 2014 to get it done...realistically, more like four, 2015-2018. At the end of this six-year contract, Abreu will be 33 and declining, so it was actually perfect timing on the part of the White Sox to have him close to cost-controlled and in his prime career years. Picking up Abreu at 33 would be similar to the situation the Angels now are in with Pujols.

QUOTE (BaconOnAStick @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 05:53 PM) Raul Mendesi took Danish yard on a 3-2 pitch. Mendesi or Mondesi, Jr.?

QUOTE (scs787 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 05:22 PM) 3 up 3 down for Danish including a SO of Bubba Starling.......Speaking of that dude, I feel like his name was brought up years ago as a future star and dude is still in A ball? Because he was a very high (top 10) pick of the Royals in the first round...high schooler, always a higher bust rate.

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 04:03 PM) Too much deep fingerbanging can really mess with the ligaments and tendons in your forearm. Thought it was TUC before I saw the poster, haha.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 11:44 AM) Not only that, but I believe one of those teams had 7 guys hit 20+ home runs (Maggs, PK, Crede, Rowand, Valentin, Lee, Thomas maybe?). It was just a different era that can't be compared to the current. I do think the team needs a LH hitter but if the scouts love Tomas and pass on him because he's a righty that's just bad practice. I really hope we go into next year with 4 starting outfield types. Avi, Eaton, a lefty and a fourth wild card who can provide either great defense or serve as the primary DH with the bat. Regardless, I'm just praying were done with Viciedo and De Aza. 2000 Durham 17 Charles Johnson 31 Thomas 43 Ordonez 32 C-Lee 24 Jose Valentin 25 Konerko 21 Herb Perry had 12 and Chris Singleton 11 2003 there were six over 18 homers. 2004 there were six over 21 (Uribe, Crede and Rowand were added...Thomas had 18)

Everyone knows the kind of talk that goes on in NBA/NFL/MLB clubhouses. Just read all the transcripts from the Dolphins' situation with Ignito and Martin...that's just touching the surface, undoubtedly. Or remember Beckham calling Getz "gay" written in the dirt? All that stuff with Ozzie and Mariotti? However, just because Harrelson was/is around that kind of talk, IN THE CLUBHOUSE...doesn't mean he shouldn't make some type of effort NOT to do it, or we should simply accept the excuse "that's just the way he is, he'll never change, etc." He can at least TRY.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 09:47 AM) If the Sox had a guy like Peavy in the dugout with all his fire and passion, the bullpen would be too scared to blow as many leads as they have. Sox would probably be in playoff contention. Too bad he couldn't SCARE/INTIMIDATE the Detroit Tigers so easily. He was either winless or one and something his entire Sox career against them. I'll never forget that game where we were up 5-0 in 2012 and then it completely disintegrated in the middle innings (with the help of a bad reliever again).

http://news.yahoo.com/turmoil-tear-gas-way...-053336976.html Darren Wilson is the name of the officer I think trying to turn thing around on Brown and vilify him over the theft of $49 in cigars is only going to backfire in the end...it's right out of the "it's her fault for dressing provocatively/blaming the victim" playbook in a rape case. Surely, someone should have known better than to send almost an all-white militia style assault force when finding just ONE African-American state patrolman (Ron Johnson) with ties to the Ferguson area could have ended everything in a peaceful manner.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 09:27 AM) I was all set to become a Brewers fan in 1986 or 1987 when they were going to leave. But now that they are in the NL, I would have to at least consider the Twins, but probably stick with the Brewers. It would be far less invested. Whichever team has the best pitching coach, haha. Probably not Rick Anderson. So you get Bosio, I think. The Twins would only be fun if Buxton, Sano and Nick Gordon turn out to be monsters.

Going to see BOYHOOD later today. Am obviously aware that it's an almost 3 hour movie, but it's supposed to be amazing.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 09:15 AM) So how long until we get the first post about sending Garcia to AAA, and how they would rather have Jake Peavy back? Don't you mean Rios (Leury Garcia)? Or we're talking about Avisail, since he's already in AAA? You mean not bringing him back up? Peavy, after all, did beat the White Sox, although he hasn't beaten anyone else this season, so there's that.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rob-manfred-w...-233553559.html

If twenty years from now, the average age of a baseball fan is closer to 33-43 and not 53-73, then the commissioner will have pulled off an amazing trick. Gammons said it this morning....about baseball being too focused on promoting the history of the game and ties to the past, while NBA and NFL is all about superstars and action figures. With Jeter leaving the game, guys like Trout, Stanton, Puig, Kershaw, Abreu, Sale, McCutchen, Cabrera, etc., have to be promoted much more effectively and strategically. A lot of the momentum from the World Baseball Classic has stopped....how are they going to continue to build up revenue streams from Mexico/Caribbean/Venezuela? Brazil? Colombia? Central America? With the distance to China, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan being a prohibitive hindrance, how to continue to expand in the Asian market, besides just simulcasting games over satellite? Will Million Dollar Arm move the meter AT ALL in India?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 07:08 AM) A worse version of Adam Dunn could still be a useful contributor to a team as long as he is not paid >$10 million for the privilege. I think you just hit upon one of the key talking points to motivate fans and corporations to buy season tickets for 2015. Let's hope not. Or that they're going to burn a year of control on Rodon simply to promote his possibly/probably being in the White Sox rotation next year...by showcasing him in September.

It's one thing if we're trading Viciedo for Alvarez, but they're going to ask for a lot more. With Marte, Polanco and McCutchen (not to mention Travis Snider)....no need for an outfielder. The best we're going to get is Jose Tabata.

Would SOXTALK survive, is the bigger question? And in what form? Would it be the end of an era, or an exciting opportunity to re-brand the site, launch an IPO and do a road show, incorporating millions of new Sox fans from a different region on the country and teaching them about Sox history and fandom, haha? Would WSI try to compete or close up shop? Or figure out still yet undiscovered ways to piss off/alienate future Sox fans somehow?

Where's the EARTH BAND, Roberto?

You'll notice the St. Louis city police and county police (the ones who were removed by Gov. Nixon) split on this issue...and city refused to send any of their officers (well, four were sent for traffic control only) as they disagreed with the tactics/strategy of the county police force, which turned out to be absolutely the correct decision but also will cause a rift between the two departments.

Royals, Dodgers and Cardinals in that order...since I lived in KC for ten years, it's sort of my second home...like someone above mentioned, if you're not anywhere close to Chicago, it's not as important....but if you grew up in the city, it's 90% of being a fan of your hometown team. Depends also if they kept the name White Sox, same uniform scheme, etc. Finally, whether I liked the new ownership group (an Ilitch, Cuban or the Dodgers' ownership group who opened up the checkbook even more)...or they were miserable misers like Loria group and more determined to make profit and sell the team rather than invest in building a winning team and organization.

One baseball executive who attended the meeting, speaking on condition of anonymity to the Associated Press because details of the 4 1/2-hour session were not to be divulged, said Manfred was elected on approximately the sixth ballot. The initial vote was 20-10 for Manfred, three short of the required three-quarters majority. His total increased to 21 on the second ballot and 22 on the third. While teams put written ballots into envelopes, keeping their choices secret, from team official speeches it was evident that the Tampa Bay Rays' Stuart Sternberg and Milwaukee Brewers' Mark Attanasio likely switched their votes, the source said. (interesting that Milwaukee franchise wouldn't be for Selig's choice from the start) Manfred's total dropped to 20, then increased to 22 before a dinner break. He got the needed 23rd vote on the next ballot, apparently from the Washington Nationals. Owners then made the final vote unanimous. The source said that it appeared the Arizona Diamondbacks, Red Sox, Chicago White Sox, Cincinnati Reds, Los Angeles Angels, Oakland Athletics and Toronto Blue Jays had been the final holdouts. "What I said to the owners when I came down after the vote is that I didn't really want to even think about who was on what side of what issue at points in the process," Manfred said, "and that my commitment to the owners was that I would work extremely hard day in and day out to convince all 30 of them that they had made a great decision today." White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf and Toronto president Paul Beeston spoke out strongly against Manfred, the source told the AP. Angels owner Arte Moreno joined Reinsdorf in leading Werner's support. Other teams have said Reinsdorf wanted a commissioner who would take a harsher stance in labor negotiations. "While Rob may not have been my initial choice for commissioner, the conclusion of a very good process was to name Rob as the person best positioned to help baseball endure and grow even stronger for the next generation of fans," Reinsdorf said in a statement. "Today's decision was reached by 30 owners voting separately but speaking, in the end, with one voice." Werner, who made his career as a television executive, was preferred by those who wanted an owner to follow Selig, who was the longtime head of the Brewers when he took over MLB. "I think the last two days have been productive because we've been able to share a number of ideas about the game and how to improve it and modernize it," Werner said. "I think that Rob agrees with many of the ideas that I espoused, and I am very confident that we are going to see some things, such as improved pace of play." Brosnan quit the race when it became apparent he likely had one vote: Cincinnati. "I cared too much about the game and really wanted the process to be as efficient as it could be," he said. www.espn.com

very good article from nytimes.com about the schism taking place between the center, right and far right on law and order vs. a "police/military state out of control"...with Rand Paul trying to take advantage of the moment Views Begin to Shift Among Conservative Leaders http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/us/polit...av=lede-package

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/opinion/...top-span-region This article makes a lot of sense... 1) Pressure from failure to perform or bring down the house every time as a comedian, where you're only judged by your last performance 2) Threat of Parkinson's diminishing his performance ability/incredible ability to riff and do spontaneous/improv comedy 3) Failure/cancellation of his CBS tv show, which was only done to get out of financial problems 4) Financial problems lead to him having to sell his $35 million mansion, along with pressure on finances from two previous divorces, the most recent one in 2008..."the first word for alimony was actually ALL THE MONEY" 5) Desire to avoid taking paycheck sequel movies like Night at the Museum 3 and Mrs. Doubtfire 2