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QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 29, 2013 -> 05:45 PM) Playing him over Konerko today was ridiculous. Konerko kills the Cubs and we throw Dunn who cant hit anyone in the lineup. There's an unwritten rule Dunn has to play against all RHP'ers, no matter what recent results or the eye test are telling you. Career vs. Feldman Dunn 1/7 Konerko 6/22 with 2 homers But you play Dunn, of course. It would have made more sense to play Dunn in LF and Konerko at 1B, actually.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 29, 2013 -> 04:54 PM) I don't play GM much because I consider myself knowledgeable on the Sox and baseball in general but by no means do I have a firm grasp on other teams players and minor leagues. I do remember wanting Dominic Brown while he was up and down . Not sure if I actually posted it. I'm sure I posted about wanting Adam LaRoche when everyone else was pining for Derek Lee and was blasted for that opinion. I know I posted about wanting a shot at some of the Nat's prospects like Rendon before we got Gillaspie. My point being ,if we add I always think it's best to target near ML ready talent who've put up decent MiL slash lines who are blocked by talent at the ML level like Hahn did with Gillaspie .Look how Gomez is doing now after so many here thought he was crap and made fun of Hawk for touting him. Good young players seem to be available. The Twins moved 2 young CF's .We have plenty of guys we can move if need be Kepp, Axelrod , Santiago, Beckham, DeAza , Crain , Thornton, Lindstrom, Jones ,Alexei. If the season goes south I think we see at least 2 or 3 of those guys moved or even some of the higher priced guys. If Hahn can rid us of Dunn I would sing his praises forever. Good luck. Not sure why we would want to sell off Nathan Jones for nothing when he has a lot more value to us if he rebounds and can be a productive member of the bullpen. If you're dumping Crain/Thornton/Lindstrom, you HAVE to have someone besides a wing and a prayer for 2014. If we're selling Santiago as a starter and not as mop-up guy, then fine...but he's not establishing any value for a trade right now. He would be worth more if he was throwing shutouts and no-hitters in Charlotte and building up his stamina so he could immediately be used as a starter by another team. Besides the fact that trading Axelrod and Santiago forces Erik Johnson into the rotation (probably earlier than he's ready) and we still don't know what we have in Danks, either.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 29, 2013 -> 03:57 PM) Yep. Ten wins out of last fifteen is what Stone was talking about. We get shut down in game one of the four, rained out with a 2-0 deficit and then get bombed in game three. I am finding it difficult to be anything but negative and I don't like that, but losing to the Cubs for cryiny out loud It's not the losses. It's HOW they're losing to the Cubs... They've forgotten how to play baseball and regressed to the 6 games under .500 White Sox again. Glad I fell asleep when the lead was 4-2 and woke up in the 9th or I would have been more upset. As it is now, even the Cubs aren't drawing 32,000 fans for these games on a beautiful early summer-ish day.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 29, 2013 -> 03:36 PM) It was only two games. Yes, but, just when they had some positive momentum finally going, it's gone like that. Even if it didn't count, the Cubs got to Sale as well yesterday... Oakland has won five in a row, and 10 of their last 11, including two in a row over a good Giants team. If Oakland beats us up pretty good in those two series, we might be lucky to be at .500 at the end of June. A couple of days ago, it looked like 5-7-9-11 games over .500 was possible. It's still POSSIBLE. But not without defense, enough offense and a decent bullpen (before Crain/Reed).

Thanks for your help today Lindstrom, always good to let all your inherited runners score. Omogrosso doesn't even belong on a major league roster. Sigh. Every Sox minor league reliever is on notice. Perform, and you've got your ticket punched to the big leagues the 2nd half.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 29, 2013 -> 02:29 PM) As Dick mentioned, they added Peavy and Rios during 2008. Contreras was another big one where the Yankees really didn't chip in much money and all the Sox gave up was Esteban Loaiza. I'm sure the Sox could have given up a better prospect to get the Dodgers to pay for more of Pierre's salary too. They also took on most of Thome's salary too, but that was after a World Series, so it is slightly different. If the Sox feel there is value in the player and they can right the ship, they will absolutely acquire them. Not saying Weeks is going to be a target, but he really is the type of player the Sox have targeted in the past decade (going back, Liriano, Youkilis, Rios, Peavy, Putz, Dye (twice), Andruw Jones, Thome, Vazquez, Contreras, Pierzynski...the recent history of this franchise is littered with them picking up or retaining guys while their value is low and then seeing regression take place and reaping the rewards. And, on the contrary, they've been pretty good about staying away from guys when they believe the price to be too much. The only time I think they've really failed on that was Thome in 2010, because having him in the lineup over Kotsay while keeping him out of the Twins lineup is really what made the difference in the division that season. You might want to go back and check your dates. We would have won the 2008 World Series with those 2 moves, even without Quentin down the stretch, assuming Rios hit. I'm not sure how much Jones really helped...he was serviceable, but anything he did was negated by Kotsay. Rios didn't help in 2009/2011 when he was really needed. Peavy was hurt for most of his Sox career (until 2012). Javy was a huge disappointment, we would have been better off with Chris Young. Contreras was signed to a long-term deal that he never lived up to for various reasons (obviously, he won a World Series and was the best pitcher in baseball from August 05 through May 06). If you go back over that list, we didn't get anything back for any of those players, in the end. The closest was the rumored Dye/Bailey move, but Rios' mid-season acquisition in 2009 basically forced JD off the team and set back team chemistry down the stretch.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 29, 2013 -> 02:02 PM) Rios is now 2 for his last 21, and has become more pull-happy than he usually is. So much for the 18 game hitting streak. Up and down this year, although still our best hitter, by far. Can't get Rios, Dunn, Konerko and Viciedo hitterish at the same time...that's the only way they can go on an extended run of winning baseball again in the summer months.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:57 PM) I still want to know how Keppinger didn't get to first on Flowers' base hit in the 2nd. You mean 3rd?

Rios was 10/29 with 2 homers before this game against Feldman. Offense still not looking good today, besides Gillaspie and Flowers.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:51 PM) Sorry Danks, not facing a AAA team today. His stuff is just not very good, which is no surprise based on his minor league outings. Topped out at 90 MPH. When you're throwing 87-90 MPH, and your best pitch is your change-up, you have to be pinpoint with your control because there's just not that 10+ MPH differentiation in your pitch speeds that makes the fastball sneaky quick.

Maybe they can try Casper Wells instead of DeAza or Dunn against LHP. They have to try SOMETHING. Biggest hit of Casper's Sox career so far.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:42 PM) Well if you hang pitches they usually are hit hard except by the White Sox that swing right through them or pop them up. I could be wrong but it seems that s*** players really kill the White Sox. Thank god it rained yesterday or this would a tad more embarrassing. Dunn'll homer in the ninth with the Sox down 9-1 Feldman has been very good this season, FWIW. And he had a very good season in Texas about 5 years ago, which isn't easy to do. Just got caught up in the numbers game down there with all the talent they brought into the rotation. Flowers 2/2. Phegley bandwagon derailed for the moment. Everyone back to the "bench Dunn" bandwagon.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:41 PM) They took on Peavy and Rios during the season. That was coming off the 2008 playoff appearance and a bounce in attendance. With our attendance about the same as last year, we're actually down in revenue, when you consider the lowered ticket prices, Sunday family day rates, parking discounts, etc. They don't have the incoming revenues to justify adding that kind of talent long-term this season.

Great, Santiago's coming into another game that's getting out of reach, lol... So everyone can say how he pitches only in games the Sox lose, so therefore he's not any good. 6 ER in 10 IP against two below average MLB teams. Scary to think what will happen against REALLY good offenses. Oh, well, all we can do is keep trotting him out there and hope he can get it figured out...and keep building up arm strength, stamina and improved command/control. Even Feldman's taking good rips at Danks now....

Cue new thread by a certain poster about John Danks being a horrible contract extension and how KW should be fired.

You can't pitch without command up in the strike zone...and not get killed in the summer months in Chicago. Change-up with very poor location. 2nd homer of the day, 5th of year....3 of 10 RBI's today, lol.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:15 PM) Utley should certainly be more expensive, but he's also injured again and there are a lot of teams that will be competing that are already set at 2B. Rickie Weeks is another guy who could very well be available for pennies on the dollar, but there's far more inherent risk with him. Beyond that, the guys the Sox are looking to acquire don't and won't cost a lot. The Sox gave up minor league fodder last year for the guys they acquired with the exception of perhaps Pedro Hernandez (4th or 5th starter potential) and Eduardo Escobar (poor starter/utility guy potential). No one is missing those guys. If you can do the same this year - give up a Saladino or a Morel or a Short or a Loman or whoever...someone in that range...nobody is going to be upset and you can acquire upgrades by packaging a couple of those guys together. Except that the Sox don't have to trade either Santiago or Quintana. They have that option, but they could certainly just maintain that depth and use Santiago out of the bullpen next year, or Quintana, or whoever. I think we have seen that, unless this regime (going from Williams over to Hahn, though we haven't had a lot to see out of Hahn yet) receives what they perceive to be equal value or better, they simply won't make the trade. I seem to recall the White Sox and Red Sox in heavy discussions for Jermaine Dye in 2007, and the Red Sox wanted to give up Wily Mo Pena and Craig Hansen whle the White Sox wanted Justin Masterson. They never made a deal, and the Sox eventually resigned Dye for the next 2 seasons. Hey, I'm sure all of us are more than willing to roll with the "just add to the payroll" approach, but how likely is that? It doesn't square with the last decade, with the exception of the Dunn/Rios/Peavy acquisitions. And giving Danks an extension. We'll add to the payroll at the All-Star break, but aren't quick to take on long-term commitments.

Moreland and Hughes saying Feldman doesn't have very good stuff today, but battling through it. Don't need to battle too hard with this White Sox offense.

Didn't realize Jean Segura was leading the NL with a .365 average. Unfortunately, we don't have a Zach Greinke available to trade in order to get his equivalent. Good change-up there in that inning, pulling the string, Danks has now set down 5 in a row. 1 ER in 3 IP isn't too bad with the weather heating up and wind blowing out.

We're another couple of weeks from Dunn/2011 at this rate. Amazingly, his average is actually lower than the .159 he put up then, but he's been more productive with homers and RBI's at least.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:09 PM) He got sent to the minors again during the middle of an inning? Haha. Oh, well.

Danks is 3-1 with a 2.3ish ERA career-wise against the Cubs in 6 starts. That's his first homer allowed in 3+ starts at Wrigley.

That's familiar. I remember him hitting a few of those against us for the Rays. This is the danger with Danks' reduced stuff. Hotter weather, wind blowing out, higher humidity....he's going to give up a ton of homers if he doesn't keep the ball down.

29 pitches for Feldman there in the heat/humidity. Except for Flowers, not coming through with RISP today. DeAza is getting to the point you wish you could platoon him against LHP'ers.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ May 29, 2013 -> 12:54 PM) I'd rather have Danks up than Flowers Can Danks catch?