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The problem with Danks NOT pitching now....if he is on the mound, we're not in "win now" mode, if he's struggling, still rehabbing or not pitching, it's a bad contract extension. You have to pick which scenario to go with.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 28, 2013 -> 06:32 AM) I was all over Dunn a few weeks ago and even advocated flat out releasing him he was so bad. But the timing of this thread is pretty silly considering he's actually been a very beneficial player to this club over the past couple weeks. You do know he had a 1/21 streak in the last week, don't you?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2013 -> 07:33 AM) I love how the guy on this site who thinks that dismantling the team and going with a multi year youth movement has zero patience for trying to actually develop youth. Well, the way around that is to call someone "non-core." Even though catcher is arguably one of the three most important positions on the team. So, in other words, everyone in the line-up can/should be susceptible to benchings/trades except for Sale, Peavy, Quintana and maybe Santiago and Viciedo (there were many who wanted Dayan platooned or even traded last season, and I'm sure it will come up again if he struggles against RHP or power pitchers). Unless you're also going to accept Rios and Peavy as the "core." Well, they ARE the heart of the current core, but they won't be part of the next playoff team, just like Konerko, Ramirez, Crain, etc.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 28, 2013 -> 07:31 AM) There's value in making decisions quickly. You might get burned from time-to-time, but when it comes to non-core players I'm fine with making a mistake in the interest of time. Then, as we've seen with every Sox position prospect of the last decade...he falls flat on his face....what do you do? Now you're REALLY in desperation mode. You can't tell opposing GM's, well, maybe I really don't need to trade for your veteran catcher...all my scouts are telling me Phegley's ready and 100% healthy. If you go back to Flowers after basically saying he's not going to cut it, the odds of him turning it around and having the full faith and confidence of his teammates and coaching staff after that happens are about 10%. The starting catcher is like the quarterback of the team. Once you put your faith in someone else, it's hard to go back to that guy because you didn't trust him enough to leave him as the starter in the first place.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 28, 2013 -> 06:30 AM) Yeah, I can pretty much guarantee they aren't worried about service time and starting Phegley's arb clock I can see if it's Courtney Hawkins, or even one of your top 2-3 prospects that you build a franchise around. If they really thought Phegley gave them a better chance to win now and were ready to give up on Tyler Flowers, then I'm 100% convinced they would make the move tomorrow. The odds of Josh Phegley being the starting catcher for the White Sox in 5-6 years are about 2-3%, at best. And the White Sox have never operated like the Marlins, with an eye more towards saving money than winning games in the current season. It's the back-up quarterback syndrome. Even going back to some of the interesting debates (playing Viciedo mostly against LHP in 2010 instead of playing everyday, Lillibridge vs. Dunn in 2011, or Viciedo vs. Pierre), there's always been solid reasoning behind NOT making the moves that everyone wanted to see...if for no other reason than for the sake of change or seeing something different. In retrospect, Ozzie might was arguably right about not prematurely anointing Gordon Beckham as the face of the franchise, as well. Sometimes we want to blame him for everything (looking back on him as the villain), but it's pretty hard to see things in that light when players like Brian Anderson never did a thing after they left the Sox. Some at this site are equating Josh Phegley and his service clock with Wil Myers or Miguel Sano.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 28, 2013 -> 07:06 AM) Which is one reason I have never gotten that much excited at the MLB draft and my pulse barely bumps at guys that are 26-40 on the 40-man roster. I'll take prospects for MLB ready players almost everyday. Which worked most of the time for KW to be able to flip those guys for the Carlos Quentins of the world. The problem arose when our system was so bereft off talent that we couldn't make legitimate plays for the Miggy Cabreras...superstar-caliber talent to build a franchise around. And it works as long as you don't give up quality young starting pitching (Gio and Hudson) for players who don't get you into the post-season or who have much less value than when you traded for them (Swisher) or are traded for less than their worth (Santos/Jackson) for payroll reasons. Then you end up with a cycle where you have less and less talent on the major league roster...and you don't have any avenues for acquiring new talent without taking on additional payroll or dumping players who can actually help you win now for players who MIGHT help you win in the future and for a bit longer window.

Of course, the Cubs' beat writer for the Sun-Times (Gordon Wittenmeyer) would pronounced him "the city's ace." As if an All-America football career spent getting slammed by NFL-bound safeties wasn’t enough to prove his fearlessness and competitiveness, there was Samardzija on Monday night, pitching the best game of his professional career on what’s probably the biggest stage he’ll be on this season. His first complete game. A two-hit shutout. The tone-setter in the four-day Crosstown Showdown. The power. The swagger. The future. The ace. Forget Chris Sale. The Cubs right-hander is Chicago’s pitching ace, as he proved in Monday’s 7-0 victory at U.S. Cellular Field. “That football mentality helps,” said teammate James Russell, who’s been around big-league baseball since his dad, Jeff, made All-Star teams as a starter, then a reliever. “He instills that fear in the batter, which a lot of guys don’t do.” On Monday, Samardzija had a 98 mph fastball working in the first inning, threw 97 on his 100th pitch and until a one-out walk in the ninth had faced just one batter over the minimum. “He was as good as anyone we’ve seen,” said Sox manager Robin Ventura, who compared him to young power-pitching Mets phenom Matt Harvey — a guy Ventura compared to Tigers ace Justin Verlander just a few weeks ago. Harvey. Verlander. “Stuff-wise, he’s as good as it gets in my opinion,” said Sox third-baseman Conor Gillaspie — the only South Sider with a hit until the ninth — of Samardzija. What about Nationals phenom Stephen Strasburg? Former MVP Joey Votto of the Reds drew that comparison when talking to a Cubs coach this season — and then said it was no comparison. He’d rather face Strasburg, he told the coach. Russell, one of Samardzija’s closer friends in the clubhouse, isn’t surprised by the comparisons. “He’s a little harder mentally and stronger physically than a lot of those guys out there,” Russell said. “Yeah, Strasburg’s got 98 [mph], but you’re not as timid getting in the box against him as you would be against somebody like Jeff.” That’s why Samardzija is the front office’s next priority. Why he’s the manager’s best hope for a turnaround anytime soon. Why he’s Chicago’s ace. No doubt Sale has the recent results and the stuff from all those knobby left-handed angles. But he also has the recent bouts of soreness, the toothpick frame and the hold-your-breath mechanics with that skinny body that doesn’t inspire nearly the long-term confidence as the power-throwing Cubs ace with the Notre Dame football frame.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 27, 2013 -> 09:57 PM) I'd say no way they draw 30000 for a game the rest of the season unless it's in the playoffs. If they were between 10 and 15 over .500 and the kids are still out of school, maybe for a Friday or Saturday night game. If they are a team with this kind of record, no way. This Cub game proves that. 10,000 Cub fans and 30,000 total? Wow. We have pretty much a loyal fan base of about 20,000 on a given night, right?? 21,678 is our average after Monday night's game.

Didn't realize it was his first career shutout. Oh, well. Tip your cap, haha. Even Gillapsie used that quote in his post-game interview.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/colum...,5758807.column Phil Rogers column. Dunn basically says the offense will sink or swim with him....Phil notes he's only a .181 hitter in in his almost 2 1/2 years in a White Sox uniform. And a new saying, "The margin for errors is slim."

Service time would be a pretty surprising reason for holding Phegley back, since he wasn't close to being considered the catcher of the future until these first 2 months of 2013... I don't think anyone in the organization was projecting him as a potential starting catcher at the major league level based on his health and what we'd seen so far. That said, Flowers seems to be really struggling with the daily grind, and that's hard to understand at his age and with an entire off-season to prepare for the starting role, knowing AJ wasn't coming back. It's also disappointing he's been suffering some aches and pains...like back spasms in the last week...without really playing at anywhere near the level of innings/pitches caught AJ averaged in his sleep even in his mid 30's.

Service time would be a pretty surprising reason for holding Phegley back, since he wasn't close to being considered the catcher of the future until these first 2 months of 2013... I don't think anyone in the organization was projecting him as a potential starting catcher at the major league level based on his health and what we'd seen so far. That said, Flowers seems to be really struggling with the daily grind, and that's hard to understand at his age and with an entire off-season to prepare for the starting role, knowing AJ wasn't coming back. It's also disappointing he's been suffering some aches and pains...like back spasms in the last week...without really playing at anywhere near the level of innings/pitches caught AJ averaged in his sleep even in his mid 30's.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 27, 2013 -> 09:15 PM) This organization has a history of waiting too long to fix fixable problems. In that light, Phegley still being at Charlotte is no surprise. They also have shown a lot of patience with pitchers, guys like Danks and Gavin Floyd...Contreras...Jenks...Santos...Humber...Quintana...Santiago, etc. "Fixable" depends on the definition. What's eminently "fixable" to you might not be to others. Some might think that promoting Phegley will automatically bring with it better results. There is ton of inside information we aren't privy to in terms of the personnel decisions going on behind the scenes. Surely, it's an everyday conversation between the AAA coaching staff and the Chicago brain-trust about Phegley vs. Flowers. There are specific things that are being looked at, measured, analyzed.

James Shields’ first big league team lost 101 games. Those 2006 Devil Rays scored fewer runs than every other team in the league and gave up more than all but two. The next year, they finished an even 30 games behind first place, the 10th season in a row Tampa Bay had lost more than 90 games. The organization dropped the “Devil” from their name that offseason, and, coincidence or not, went from the worst team in baseball to the World Series the next year. Shields wrote a book about that team, and helped win 90 or more games in each of his last five years before being traded to Kansas City before this season. Shields’ career has doubled as a doctoral course on the difference between good teams and bad ones. He’s lived both lives, from the inside. The difference? “It’s just putting it together as a team, playing as a team,” he says. “Amnesia has a lot to do with it, being able to forget losses, and going out there and competing. It all starts with starting pitching, that’s what we’re doing a good job of. “But the difference is chemistry, I think. This can be a very selfish game, and the less selfishness we have in this clubhouse, the more we’re going to play together.” This is as tight a clubhouse as you can typically find in the big leagues, teammates who legitimately count each other among their best friends. Those hand signs hitters make back to the dugout after getting on base are goofy and irrelevant, but they are also a picture of guys who truly like one another. It’s a fair point Shields makes, but the Royals have had clubhouses full of friendships before and failed. Two years ago, the Royals laughed together like a bunch of old high school buddies but also lost 95 games, including 11 of 13 at one point, and 17 of 22 at another. No, we need more. The thing that makes this Royals team different than the limp versions that have come before is actual talent. This is the best team, on paper, the Royals have had since the 1994 strike. Even if that’s a bit of faint praise, it at least means that your hope isn’t in a team that signed Jose Lima out of an independent league sight unseen (2003), began with Kyle Davies and Sidney Ponson in the rotation (2009) or started Luke Hochevar on opening day (2011). This is a real big league team, a good one even. That may or may not be good enough for the playoffs. They had the look of an 84-or-so win team before the season, were on pace for 85 entering Saturday, and figure to be around that most of the year. But it should be good enough to dream a little. There will be five playoff teams in each league this year for the first time, as you know. An analysis of the last five years of teams that would’ve qualified with this new format shows the Royals are so far performing at or near the average of that 25-team group. They are pitching slightly better (3.57 ERA was tied for third in the league entering Saturday’s games, vs. a 4.01 ERA ranking between fifth and sixth for the playoff teams), and scoring significantly less (4.39 per game ranks ninth, vs. 4.97 per game ranking between fourth and fifth). The most important stat, by far, is run differential. Twice in the last five years, the top five teams in run differential were the same five teams that would’ve made the playoffs in the current format. Only three of the 25 teams ranked below sixth, none below eighth. The Royals had the American League’s seventh-best run differential entering Saturday’s games. Put another way: if the 2013 Royals aren’t a playoff team, they’re a close enough to play one in a movie. Nobody can tell you how to feel about your team, of course. The Royals have spent the last 27 years teaching a new generation of fans that the better times are yesterday or tomorrow but never today. Never quite yet. Never quite now. If you want to be skeptical, you can build a good case even without the Royals’ rotten history. They’ve scored three or fewer runs in more than half their games. Chris Getz and Jeff Francoeur are swinging with the combined punch of a dandelion. Mike Moustakas is hitting .189. Wade Davis is on pace for a very (Kyle) Davies-ian season in the rotation. Eric Hosmer has six extra-base hits and Kelvin Herrera has given up seven home runs. So, sure. You don’t need to look far for reasons to stay away from believing in this Royals team. They’ve burned you before. They surrendered benefit of the doubt at some point in the 1990s. You have every reason to wait this out, to save your hope. But how much fun would that be? To reach Sam Mellinger, call 816-234-4365 or send email to smellinger@kcstar.com. Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/05/19/42436...l#storylink=cpy

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/05/27/42595...e-a-change.html Smells Like the Royals Need to Make A Change I liked these comments... Should Yost be fired? Yes. His Royals record is .439 compared to .423 for Hillman and .424 for Muser. End of discussion. Goodbye. He failed miserably in Milwaukee and somehow managed to get canned with his team in playoff contention in the final weeks of the season... never happened before in 130 years. Think about that. Look at the talent on that 2008 team... All Stars all over the place and he's driving them over the cliff. He's an epic failure...literally. However, the bulk of the blame goes to Moore. First off, he hired Yost, the epic failure. What's he done here in seven years? Nothing. Not a damn thing. This roster that he built is a joke. You look at the lineup we run out and can't help but giggle. His drafts have been a complete disaster. His free agent signings have been terrible. He simply can't evaluate the draft which is the ONLY WAY THIS TEAM CAN COMPETE. That was supposed to be his strength. It's instead made him look like a clueless fool. He's a likable Scott Pioli. They're the same GM but one you like and the other you can't stand. Both are in way over their heads as "the guy". Great number two guys at best, terrible number one guys. They both need to go. Here's the problem. You can't fire Yost with Moore's days numbered. What coach will want to come into that situation? I suppose the usual trash that we've had over the last 20 years will do it. I don't think David Glass is that stupid. He has to start with Moore and find a GM who will bring in his guy. That is the only way this will work. Moore has to go and the sooner the better. The Royals need a manager who knows how to win. I would try Guillen even though he can be a loose cannon but he could inject something into the clubhouse as they need something. Yost has lost the clubhouse as it is showing on the field each day.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 27, 2013 -> 09:01 PM) Phegley has a lot more to prove in AAA. Look at his career statistics. He's had a lot to overcome and has been aggressively promoted, but that doesn't mean he doesn't need more seasoning. Give him at least another month before bringing him up. He really does need to prove he can put 3 consecutive solid months together. It's the Jared Mitchell syndrome. He can be hot for 6-8 weeks, but can he extend the momentum? It will be pretty obvious after we play so many bad teams in the next 26 games....if he can't excel in any of these contests, it's not going to happen against the Tigers, Indians, etc.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 27, 2013 -> 08:10 PM) Attendance topped 30k for maybe the last time this season Unless they play meaningful games against the Tigers in the 2nd half of the season, you're probably correct.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 27, 2013 -> 08:14 PM) I was at the worst game in Sox history. Vs the Twins. 20 to 1. I remember Betemit making about ten errors. Didn't Colon or Garcia start that one? It was fairly early in the season, April or May?

We could be Royals' fans....4-17 stretch now, 21-27 after starting out 17-10. 9 consecutive home losses. St. Louis has the majors’ best record at 33-17. The western portion of the I-70 Series concludes Tuesday night before the teams shift to Busch Stadium for games Wednesday and Thursday. From there, the Royals head to Texas, which has the American League’s best record, for three weekend games. Yeah. This was just the start to a tough week. “We’re fine,” third baseman Miguel Tejada declared. “Everybody can see that when we take the field every day, we’re playing hard and everybody knows we’re going to win the game. “What can we do right now? Just play hard and try to make something happen. One day, it’s going to go our way, and we’re going to start to roll.” It wasn’t Monday. Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/05/27/42593...l#storylink=cpy

Right around the 80 pitch mark. So much for the idea of getting to the Cubs' bullpen.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ May 27, 2013 -> 07:02 PM) I can't believe they got 30,000 people to pay good money to watch this crap. I was paging up and thinking this post was from Greg775...

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ May 27, 2013 -> 07:00 PM) Maybe now some people will realize just how important AJ was to this team. Still don't think we should have overpaid him, but, with how the offense has struggled this season, anything resembling AJ's bat from 2012 would have been a huge help. The odds of a repeat were pretty low...and then you were going to be putting off determining the future at that position by yet another season. Of course, AJ's been injured as well.

QUOTE (DukeofChicagoA1 @ May 27, 2013 -> 06:59 PM) This team isn't winning a World Series. Of course, you would have said the same thing about the White Sox on September 15th, 2005. Or numerous times about the Cardinals in 2006 or 2011.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ May 27, 2013 -> 06:58 PM) looks like cooper ripped flowers on that trip. Maybe Flowers and Jones will both be in AAA in another week.... Of course, it's not like we have a plethora of bullpen options down in Charlotte at the moment. About the only good things about this game are watching Gillaspie hit, Viciedo's throw and the God Bless America performance by a member of the Sox staff.

Well, thankfully it only counts as one loss.... All-around, White Sox look inferior in every category. Cooper laying into Jones and Flowers. Not happy. Well...we're maximizing our RS/RA Pythagorean....we're going to be around -20 but only 1 game under .500. There's that. And, by the way, hate it when Phil Rogers uses that simplistic stat for saying Ventura's doing a good job with this team, vs. Sveum with the Cubs.