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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 22, 2013 -> 06:25 PM) Who else was available? Seriously, you can't just say don't pitch Santiago, who pitches? DFA Greene, whatever. We have Sanchez and Beckham available Friday. I would rather sacrifice Spencer Arroyo from AA, who's pitched well this year and might actually have done well. Pitching John Danks on 3 day's rest or Erik Johnson on 3 day's rest wouldn't have been any better...but it's still a disaster.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 22, 2013 -> 06:24 PM) The decision to start Santiago tonight ranks up there with starting Cotts in New York, etc. Just a complete failure by the organization. I don't even care about the results, but rather Santiago's long term future. This is an awful lot of stress to put on his arm. The organization is treating him like a 40 year old Terry Mulholland. It would be one thing if Saturday didn't happen and his confidence wasn't shaken the way he left the game in the 4th after walking 3 consecutive guys and giving up the homer to Trumbo to start everything. Then, being in disbelief that he was going to start after the side session and throwing an additional 40 pitches. It's just crazy. And the bullpen's still going to be taxed regardless.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 22, 2013 -> 06:22 PM) Fat ass Ortiz steals a base with no throw come on. Despite the team meeting, there haven't been significant improvements in our defense/fundamentals. We're simply getting good pitching and better hitting than previously.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 22, 2013 -> 06:21 PM) I do not see the superstar in waiting talk with Santiago at all. John Danks also started on Saturday. If he was starting and getting lit up on 3 day's rest tonight, then whose fault would it be? Danks, or the GM?

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ May 22, 2013 -> 06:20 PM) what a gas can Santiago was throwing 94, 95 and even touched 96 on Saturday, according to the Angels' broadcasters. This is all on the White Sox. They never should have started him. You don't have him throw 40 pitches in a side session and then start the next day unless it's the playoffs/World Series/emergency situation.

When you have the starting pitcher doubting himself and questioning the decision to start him against a team with the offensive talent of the Red Sox....the results will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 22, 2013 -> 06:14 PM) Surprised at how few people are at the game. Weather forecast...? The Blackhawks aren't playing again, are they?

I'll be the first of many to say this. WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE STARTED SANTIAGO TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for its product, is it ever justifiable for that business to blame the consumers for the non-performance of whatever product or service they are selling? The reason I bring this up is because I was wracking my brain for an example. It has been commonly accepted by many at different Sox websites that the team is justified in not spending money at the deadline or in the off-season (if the Sox will be spending more money than they've earned or are projected to earn...of course, we've never been privy to that actual information, other than making educated guesses from Forbes, comments made by the organization, etc.) Obviously, last year, the team was in first place and the moves for Youkilis, Liriano and Myers were logical and didn't cost a boatload of talent or money. But this season presents a different twist, and there are even more needs to make a legitimate argument about finishing with an 87-91 win team. Not only that, but we're in a quandary about long-term development vs. competing in the short term, and we're in a precarious position trading away what prospects we do have for the 10-15-20% chance of having a playoff team this year, albeit one with quite a few flaws. At any rate, I couldn't think of any business or product where the response of the market was "tepid" and the management/ownership group didn't change the people in charge of marketing that aforementioned product. The only examples I could think of were non-profits/NGO's/501-c-3's (obviously different than for-profits) who were all competing for donation dollars....and many go out of business or simply disappear. However, you can't "sell" a non-profit for $1 billion dollars or take out excess revenues from the budget for the Board of Directors without incurring legal and IRS penalties. So other than the White Sox, is there is any other business or product that we can name where the consumers (or fans) are blamed for the failure or shrinking revenues derived from that product? And where the marketing team in place hasn't been changed...perpetuating the notion that it's the consumers' (fans) fault and not the operational model of the business itself?

Lessons from today: Boy, Gattis (oh, to dream of two catchers like that) and Jose Bautista are good. And Joe Maddon's not infallible. Made the questionable decision not to have the 9th place hitter bunt to put the go-ahead run on for the lead-off hitter...whereas the Blue Jays used the 8th place hitter to sacrifice the runner over to 2nd for their 9th place hitter. Oh, and "bad" Fernando Rodney is still back. 9/13 in SVO. Finally, the Twins are fun bad X 2. Verlander six hits and a walk already surrendered in 1 2/3. 1.38 WHIP (the equivalent of Matt Thornton). Still clinging to a 2-2 tie with runners at 2nd and 3rd, 2 outs in the early going. This is as vulnerable as he has been in years...it happened a couple of times in 2012, but now, even more concerns are being raised.

Bring back Jon Garland, Brian Anderson and Kirk McCaskill. Need more "hunnies" in the stands.

Harrelson would probably pick Michael Young to come in and play 1B...once again, if Konerko acknowledges it's better for him not to play for an extended period and/or retire.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 22, 2013 -> 03:03 PM) Ryan Howard has 3.75 years and $100 million remaining on his contract. That's where the KW-ish Jim Thome "subsidized" deal would come in... Would the Phillies be willing to eat 50-60% of that contract to get it off the books? Would the White Sox be willing to invest that much money into a veteran hitter past his prime? Probably not. It did work out well with Thome...and there's obviously a need for impact hitters in our line-up, but that one's probably not the right move at this point unless Konerko just walked into Reinsdorf's office and retired.

Needed more Uhuru and Scotty.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/stating-obvio...-185800682.html Picking up Utley, Howard (if Konerko can't ever come back to form) or Ruiz would all be typical KW mid-season moves in a year when they're in the race and within hailing distance of first. All World Series champions/veterans. Utley wouldn't be needed if Beckham can hit at least 650 or 675 OPS-wise, but who ever knows how he'll do from one year to the next?

QUOTE (Benchwarmerjim @ May 22, 2013 -> 02:40 PM) the starting pitching is awful (outside of Diamond). Thus, the bullpen has been overworked. after the game, Worley got sent to Rochester. Samuel Deduno gets a crack at the rotation. What's the current thinking on the team? The decent start was giving false hope? That they're returning to what was expected? What about Ryan's performance, trying to undo the damage of the Bill Smith years? What's the patience level? Obviously, Aaron Hicks is the player to be most concerned about, in terms of how long they keep him at the major league level. How are the youngsters like Sano and Buxton doing? Gibson? Their other top pitching prospect?

http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/...extbeginIndex=6 Still 30% chance of rain at game time. Rising to 40-50% over the rest of the evening.

Twins sporting just an awful line-up without Mauer against the Braves as they're threatening to fall further back in the standings.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 22, 2013 -> 09:23 AM) The bolded... what does that even mean? How many pitchers have MANY swing and miss pitches, taking away their "good stuff"? I was trying to be kind. I should have said, when he had a consistent low 90's fastball, he still had a tendency to struggle with putting batters away (just like Quintana in much of the 2nd half last year) post 2008/2009. Not great stuff, like Sale or Floyd/Javy on a good day, but "very good" stuff. Now, post-surgery, he doesn't have that. Which means he needs to have pinpoint command/control. Yet even Danks has acknowledged he's still struggling with that issue in the minors.

And that was the John Danks who threw 89-93/94 MPH with his fastball and had a 10 MPH differential on his FB/change. Hector Santiago last July....three appearances with between 45-57 pitches thrown Hector Santiago last August....four total appearances for the entire month, two of them for 73 and 76 pitches Hector Santiago last September/Oct...in his four starts 7 IP=108 pitches 5 IP=91 pitches 4 IP=93 pitches 3 1/3=78 pitches I don't think it's fair to say that Santiago is less likely than Axelrod or post-injury Danks to go at least 6 innings on average unless he has another month or two of starting under his belt. As it seems like there was a progression of building up his stamina after wasting away on the bench for almost all of 3 months last year (when he could have been starting for Charlotte)...

QUOTE (Disco72 @ May 22, 2013 -> 07:50 AM) You cannot do it for very long, especially if the non-Crain and non-Reed bullpen options fail to step it up, but I wouldn't mind seeing a series of skipped starts for the guys that went well over their prior innings last season. I suspect this is what they are doing with Sale, and I would prefer to see the Sox buy some time to find out if Danks can be effective. The other issue not discussed is if the Sox are deliberately handling Santiago this way, not because they 'hate him,' but because they are trying to develop him. To me, it's clear that Santiago's stuff is better than Axe's, but I'm not sure he's a better pitcher yet. In either case, Santiago needs to keep getting enough innings this season to be a full-time starter next season. Let's not forget another elephant in the room. John Danks, other than 2008, has never been known for being particularly efficient or having low pitch counts. Take away his good stuff, he doesn't have many "swing and miss" pitches. It's like the rap last year from scouts against Quintana...where they felt he would struggle the most, not having a dominating strikeout pitch. So you have an ouchy Sale again, Peavy, who you wonder how long he can continue to be the workhorse after fading down the stretch in 2012, Quintana/Danks/Santiago/Danks all with major question marks about how often they can give you much more than 5+ innings. I'd be pretty surprised if they didn't experiment with the six man rotation again...before they send Santiago down to start in AAA and leave Axelrod up.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 22, 2013 -> 07:53 AM) Thanks Rush. More quality analysis If you're going to accuse me of racism, you better have something a LOT better than that to back it up with.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 22, 2013 -> 08:53 AM) Because when RGIII an EJ Manuel were drafted, all I heard was "AIN'T NO BLACK QUARTERBACK EVER WON A SUPERBOWL NEVER" 1979-1947=32 years Heck, 1979-1936 (Jesse Owens)=43 years Or Joe Louis, Tiger Woods, etc.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 22, 2013 -> 07:53 AM) Thanks Rush. More quality analysis You're welcome. Have you ever met any major league scouts in their 50's, 60's or 70's? Just curious. Because last time I checked, Doug Williams started playing in the 1970's. Here we are, 30+ years later, and the same questions are being raised by scouts across the board about African-American NFL quarterbacks. If you want to believe there's no bias, racism or prejudice that's still prevalent, then be my guest. I lived in Colombia in 2005-2006. I met a lot of scouts in Cartagena, Santa Marta and Baranquilla. All of them said it would take 20-30 years before a pitcher from their country was going to reach the majors, because of the level of instruction and competition available there being so inferior. Edgar Renteria and his brother said the same thing, I worked as a volunteer at one of their camps...when I asked if they'd ever seen a pitcher who had the stuff to make it to the majors...at any of their youth camps there or in Miami. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2...l-bias/2101977/

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 22, 2013 -> 08:03 AM) Who exactly are they supposed to call up? Erik Johnson and Danks would also be on 3 day's rest. Spencer Arroyo, theoretically. Tony Pena, Jr., is the AAA starter aligned, but he threw 1 1/3 last night because of Castro only going 5 innings and getting bombed. You hate to start someone in this situation...when they're having to go up against another team's ace, they threw 80 pitches on Saturday, then you're taking them out of their normal routine and "comfort zone" as they just threw a bullpen session of 40 pitches and would have 2 days and not just a single day to bounce back from that. One shouldn't forget how many times this organization has bounced Santiago around...and then there was the game he was rushed into earlier in the year when Floyd went down that he struggled mightily in. Other than that game and Saturday against the Angels, he has been excellent the entire season, more or less. So you're sort of seeing the Sergio Santos Effect with him....almost every time he's out there, he's great...or he completely falls apart. Although, in fairness, he didn't take the loss, it was actually Nathan Jones on Saturday.