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QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 23, 2013 -> 10:58 PM) From a Law blog today: http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/...aw-on-southland Where's "Chi Chi" Rodriguez?

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ May 23, 2013 -> 10:41 PM) Wilson Betamit. He still hurts the Sox. Is that like the Vegemite?

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ May 23, 2013 -> 08:16 PM) We still have that righty, forget his name. We had Drew O'Neill as I believe a 2nd rounder from a low 3/4 who was compared to Linebrink stuff-wise, but his arm burst into flames (I think he's retired now) and then the following year we drafted another one who was supposed to be better, and who was supposed to move quickly. That guy got hurt but I think he's back in the system again. I think it was NSS who was all about that guy. Maybe we'll go to that one. I still can't remember his name, but he's a righty specialist prospect. http://forums.prospero.com/n/pfx/forum.asp...&tid=113032 90% sure it's Dan Remenowsky you're referring to.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ May 23, 2013 -> 10:52 PM) This is probably the toughest position to fill in baseball. How many kids want to play this position. IF they can hit then they want to move them out of this position. But it's probably the easiest route to the majors, along with being a LH pitcher.

Santos Rodriguez with a nice performance. He's going to be looked to as a replacement for Thornton (IF IF IF) he can improve his control. We'll see what Don Cooper can do with him or Olacio.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 23, 2013 -> 09:28 PM) Maybe in your eyes. Some fans will realize he hasn't pitched in a year, so you can't expect perfection. White Sox culture. If we're making the argument that the team is still in contention and not aiming towards 2014, then 3 Daniel Hudson-esque starts in a row and he'll be relegated to the bullpen or Barry Zito status by a loud minority of fans, typically the ones that call into Rongey's post-game show.

Tigers very easily could sweep through the Twins this weekend. (Of course, their offense will have to score 8+ runs to support Porcello tonight). Tigers have the same problem as the Sox. Smyly would be a better starter than Porcello, but they need him to shore up their bullpen as the long man. With that offense, he's a key cog as he can shut down the opponent and give their offense time to rally back in games. Minnie's already lost 8 in a row. Deduno (we remember him from last year) going tmrw. Cabrera homer #14, RBI's 53 and 54. Hitting .390 currently.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 23, 2013 -> 10:51 AM) Yes. Totally different injuries. And I'm defining "good" here with Danks as being "under a 4.00 ERA" at least. So, if I had to bet...I would say it's more likely that Martinez puts up a 750-775 OPS than Danks being a sub 4.00 ERA pitcher in 2013. Could be wrong on both counts, that's possible, too. Not to mention the fact that pitchers who miss a full year from pitching....there's just no way they're going to be able to shake off all that rust and get their control back the first 2-3 months pitching, like a hitter gets his timing back. I always thought of Martinez as "a born hitter," and I do think it's easier for a hitter than a pitcher to get back to normal. Granted, Martinez is quite a bit older....so you never know, as lots of hitters (see Konerko) tend to suddenly lose bat speed in their mid to late 30's.

Well, one thing's for sure, if Danks gets lit up...some will definitely question him because of the Marlins' line-up being mostly AAAA fodder. Conversely, if he pitches a gem, he'll be likewise doubted...what will happen when he faces a real line-up, like in the AL East? Kind of a no-win situation, in many ways.

Do we have a guy with a funky delivery like Ehren Wasserman/Chad Bradford/Takatsu we could try? Probably not. Someone that throws slow enough to throw off hitters who are used to all gas coming from the bullpen...Remenowsky?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marlins-white...20242--mlb.html Would like some more inspiring words than Paulie's....sigh. Guess he's not feeling all that confident these days. No Jose Fernandez. A rookie making his fourth career start (hasn't won yet) against us...well, that usually doesn't go very well for the Sox. Then Nolasco and Sanabia, the spit/slobber ball guy.

There's no way those are natural...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2013 -> 02:56 PM) For whom exactly? Doctor Impossible

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ May 23, 2013 -> 03:01 PM) He never reminded me of Norberto Martin or D'Angelo Jimenez (still playing for Newark Bears allegedly) or Tony Graffanino. What about Grebeck, Pablo Ozuna or Eduardo Escobar? Still think of him as Gaffe-anino because of errors he made for the Sox against the Cubs and a big one in the 2005 Division series.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 23, 2013 -> 01:27 PM) Didn't someone else just write a similar article about the Sox lack of injuries? i think it was fangraphs, attempting to use "extraordinary" health as one of the outliers causing consistent pre-season underestimations of the White Sox eventual record

Don't see athletic trainers in the headlines very much. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-tra...-142008464.html

Nolan Ryan would be a better comparison...for Mo. Although at the end, Nolan wasn't one of the top 3 starting pitchers in baseball...like Rivera is as a closer. Or Julio Franco playing and hitting well into his mid 40's. Would like to think it wasn't due to PED's.

QUOTE (balfanman @ May 23, 2013 -> 07:59 AM) Where's our El Duke? Crain, so far this year. DUQUE.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2013 -> 07:57 AM) Versus saying "call up whomever"? Are we ready for the return of Deuente Heath? Zach Stewart? Jeff Gray? Tony Pena Jr? Jhan Marinez? It is a triple A roster full of has-beens and never will be's. Most of the real talent is in Birmingham and Winston-Salem as far as relief arms. They probably are giving SOME consideration to Purcey and Moskos, simply because the asking price for quality left-handed relievers can be pretty prohibitive.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2013 -> 07:52 AM) The guys who aren't up here are worse. That's why they aren't here. Then try someone like Daniel Webb and just stick him at the back end of the pen (like Nathan Jones to start last year) and see if we can catch lightning in a bottle and work his way into meaningful situations and gain the trust of the coaching staff. The odds are pretty high it won't work and he would have to go back down to the minors...but those odds are probably better than seeing all the Jhan Marinezes, Purceys or Moskoses of the minor league system shuffle back and forth.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 23, 2013 -> 07:30 AM) I thought Victor Martinez was guaranteed to start putting up .900+ OPS numbers immediately upon return? Nobody said that...just that it would take some time for him to come back at his age and when he got it going again offensively, they would be even more of a force to be reckoned with. Not unlike the rust it's going to take John Danks to shake off. He probably won't be the same pitcher he was until 2014...if we're lucky.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 23, 2013 -> 07:33 AM) While on this subject, despite his .215 average, at USCF, the guy who gets the biggest ovations and it's not even close, is Konerko. And what does that tell you? That Alex Rios, while the best player on the team after Sale, doesn't have a huge following because of lingering doubts and anger dating back to the 2009 and 2011 seasons. That Gordon Beckham never became the franchise cornerstone he was touted to be when he was drafted. That Jake Peavy, while he has his fans and a big name and salary, was injured so often and has never been the Cy Young winning pitcher we remember from SD, so there's always a lingering sense of disappointment, even though he's worked his butt off to get back to where he is... Dunn...we know that story. Danks...same thing. Nobody wants to see him end up like a noose around the neck of the Sox payroll, but ALMOST everyone is concerned whether he can return to being the same pitcher he was before the surgery. And that AJ/Buerhle are gone and nobody has emerged to replace them as fan favorites. For now, the only position player with the POTENTIAL to do that and be around five years from now is Viciedo. As we keep saying, this team is lacking both an identity and a younger superstar. Sale is close, but you need a position player to build a franchise around because White Sox fans are so used to offensive fireworks at their home stadium...Carlos Quentin was the closest, but he was not the kind of player who was easy to love, either. You respected and feared him if you were the opponent...but he was always a bit too remote or distant for fans to embrace 100% except for 2008 when he was so good you couldn't help but marvel for 5 months.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2013 -> 07:19 AM) New Coke would be the closest example, as it actually replaced the former. The only problem is that lasted about six months before they brought back the original. The bottom line is that this thread is silly. No business model exists where you can dump your entire product line and still expect customers to show up before you have your next great product. Any thread that tries to tell you differently is just wrong. The problem is NOBODY is advocating dumping an entire product line. The core product is Chris Sale...he has to be successful for the franchise to win anything in the next five years. Around that, you trim away the products that aren't getting a successful ROI (think Hostess going bankrupt and selling off individual brands)...and keep the best remaining ones (Viciedo, Quintana, Santiago) to build around. You leverage other assets (Ramirez/Peavy/Crain) to clear payroll space and bring young blood in to revitalize and re-energize. It's not like the White Sox would be closing their stadium for 3-5 years and disappearing from the face of the earth. The final member of the last product line (Konerko, following AJ and Buehrle) is becoming obsolete and needs to be replaced.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2013 -> 07:19 AM) New Coke would be the closest example, as it actually replaced the former. The only problem is that lasted about six months before they brought back the original. The bottom line is that this thread is silly. No business model exists where you can dump your entire product line and still expect customers to show up before you have your next great product. Any thread that tries to tell you differently is just wrong. The problem is NOBODY is advocating dumping an entire product line.New Coke would be the closest example, as it actually replaced the former. The only problem is that lasted about six months before they brought back the original. This isn't letting Robin Ventura go in the prime of his career, or the White Flag trade. Do you honestly think if Paul Konerko played out the season as a .220 hitter with 15 homers and 55 RBI's that ANY fans would not renew their season tickets next year because he wasn't coming back again? Nobody is clamoring for a return of Mark Buehrle or AJ Pierzynski. They just want a clear direction and plan they can believe in and get behind. In the end, the core product is Chris Sale...he has to be successful for the franchise to win anything in the next five years. Around that, you trim away the products that aren't getting a successful ROI (think Hostess going bankrupt and selling off individual brands)...and keep the best remaining ones (Viciedo, Quintana, Santiago) to build around. You leverage other assets (Ramirez/Peavy/Crain) to clear payroll space and bring young blood in to revitalize and re-energize. It's not like the White Sox would be closing their stadium for 3-5 years and disappearing from the face of the earth. The final member of the last product line (Konerko, following AJ and Buehrle) is becoming obsolete and needs to be replaced.

I was shocked after we made it through the 7th with Omogrosso that Jones wasn't there to start the 8th. That was the most logical move. If RV trusts Omogrosso more than Jones, we might as well send him down to Charlotte where he can pitch regularly in the 8th inning with a lead and get reacquainted with the idea of successfully setting up games for Reed to close out. He's definitely not an ideal "long man" candidate...unless they send him to the very end of the bullpen and tell him to start throwing every pitch he used as a starter. Not sure how well that would work, as he's now programmed to think like a two-pitch pitcher and has ditched the curveball and change.