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Floyd is worth 5X what Matt Thornton is right now. The Red Sox would only make these moves if they actually wanted to keep Danks and/or Quentin long-term. Certainly, Danks would be the main reason they'd make the move. Is JD Drew under contract for next season? Personally, if I was Epstein, I'd rather have Reddick going forward (especially considering salary) than Quentin for one year at $9 million. So while it looks like a "win" for the Red Sox on paper, it's kind of a sucker-trade longer term. But there's zero chance we could afford to trade Danks AND Floyd together. When's the last time three All-Stars were traded together in one move (I know Danks hasn't made it before, but Thornton/Quentin were, and Danks would be the centerpiece obviously).

Bad hitting (Dunn/Rios/Beckham/Morel) equals losing, equals bad chemistry. If the clubhouse was truly lost 100%, we would have rolled over and gotten steamrolled by the Twins. We haven't, or didn't. The losses on Sunday and Monday really knocked the Sox offstride, and momentum turned against us with the Yankees, just like we swept through Boston on the road earlier in the season. The problem is our offense isn't consistent enough to even win 5 games in a row, let alone 26/31 like last year. I think there's a lot of chaos and uncertainty because of the strife between KW and Ozzie, and wouldn't be upset to see both leave. There really are a lot of Sox fans who would rather see KW gone than Guillen, actually. I know many that never post here....even though the current "pulse" here is probably 2/3rd's favoring Ozzie going over KW. The only way to get rid of Greg Walker and actually see what we have in Dunn/Beckham/Rios/Morel is to give them a shot with a totally different coaching staff. Guillen or JW won't fire Walker, so the only way is letting Guillen go to Florida. Dumping Beckham right now would be insane because his value is almost zero since he will soon head into his more expensive arbitration years period.

This doesn't really fit, because the Peavy deal was all about salary relief and the White Sox didn't give up anyone (other than Richard, who would have been the last guy out of the bullpen) who was arguably even going to be on their roster in the future. Rios was a waiver claim, and Dunn a FA signing. You have to go to Edwin Jackson for Hudson/Holmberg...which is now essentially Hudson/Holmberg for Stewart and Frasor...the two Swisher trades....and the bad "salary dump" trade we made to get rid of Javy to the Braves with Tyler Flowers as the centerpiece. Finally, dumping Fields/Getz/Brian Anderson/Pods and only ending up with Mark Teahen in return from KC, then the extension (I know the trade wasn't those 4). Those five trades are the center of 90% of the angst at all the sox boards. KW would argue that ridding the organization of Vazquez was a classic "addition by subtraction" but however he spent the money (saved), it clearly wasn't good. The Twins haven't traded well (Garza/Bartlett for Delmon Young, Ramos for Matt Capps, dumping their entire middle infield and bullpen and signing Nishioka, Hardy for Hoey, etc.), the Astros are a mess (stuck with Carlos Lee and Wandy Rodriguez for now), the Mariners have made a ton of bad moves (Erik Bedard trade was epic bad), the Padres, Cubs, Mets, Orioles, Dodgers, etc. KW went from a consensus Top 10 GM (2002-2008) to a pretty close to consensus Bottom 5-10 GM from 2008 offseason through today.

dissent/arguing/turmoil/chaos dissension in the ranks, lack of institutional control, mutiny, etc. basically, the Toronto managerial situation with what's his face...? http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/ Current playoff odds for White Sox at 11.5% (about .500 and 2nd place ahead of Indians predicted) Still better than 18 other organizations in major league baseball.

Post of the Day from startribune.com sports "While we loyal fans get fleeced to the tune of $168.00 per case of beer, $56.00 per pound of hot dogs and whatever else overpriced food and beverage we purchase, plus the ticket for the game, I think we should get a little more entertainment for that much $$$$$. When the between inning video board is the highlight of the target field experience , I scratch my head in wonder. Oh Berts California math tells me our favorite Joe made approx $400,000.00 for his 4 at bats tonight. Instead of trying to book a concert the twins should book a rodeo, with all the b.s. thrown about by the manager, and management they should fit in nicely. Does anybody know if there is any decention in the clubhouse with Gardy and Joe hawking different dairys? With Slowey probably coming back, doesn' that give the guys another Guitar for there kumbayah campfire singalong. I'd like to comment on the baseball but haven't seen much in the last week."

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 6, 2011 -> 11:34 PM) Buehrle, Danks, Floyd, Peavy, Humber, Stewart, Sale all potential starters next year. Gotta still dump salary so that means MB or JP will or should go. Cheap guys Humber, Sale, Stewart stay though Stewart is no lock to make the team let alone the starting 5. Pierre should be gone so DeAza and Viciedo make the team. Most likely traded is Danks. So does KW load up on more pitching or try for a bat ? At what position can we get a bat ? I'd say KW will be trying like hell to get rid of one of the big salaries of Peavy, Dunn, Konerko, Buehrle, Rios. Konerko and MB are Sox icons so unless KW can rid himself of JP, Rios or Dunn then I'm guessing Danks will be traded. I like Morel . He seems to be hanging in there and learning how to hit better and love his glove. Beckham who knows . The team should look dramatically different next year and more so if Ozzie is fired as he should be ,taking Walker with him. Have to keep Cooper. I think we still have the means to compete next year . I know the Twins are bad but they've still had our number for a while and with guys like De Aza and Stewart leading the way we have turned the corner against them. Quentin might be moved also but would hate to lose him. Guys like him and Danks are sell high candidates and could restock or minors or get MLB ready players. Imagine if you're the GM of another team. Would you trade for Jake Peavy (at that salary and the buyout) based on what you've seen out of him the last 3 years? That would be almost as gutsy as picking up Alex Rios. The main difference is 1 year of risk versus six. But there's no way Peavy won't be on the opening day roster along with Dunn.

Scioscia has a TON of detractors out on the West Coast, including most of the media and quite a few former players. You don't often hear that about Joe Maddon, but he needs to have another 5 years under his belt before he can claim the title of "game's best manager." Napoli was frequently criticized for his receiving skills while playing for Mike Scioscia, who was one of the top defensive catchers when he played, but is flourishing under Ron Washington. While being ultraproductive as a hitter (1.004 OPS entering the weekend), Napoli has become a favorite target for Texas pitchers. His 2.37 catcher's ERA was the lowest among major-leaguers with at least 250 innings caught. "I always felt like I was looking over my shoulder to see if I was doing things right," Napoli told the Dallas Morning News. "I had 'bad hands.' I was so worried about my setup and the mechanics all the time. I learned a lot. I learned a lot of what I do there, but playing there just wasn't much fun.'' When Napoli was acquired, the plan was to use him at first base and DH, but he's getting more time behind the plate than he was early in the season. "`I feel like I know the game and I've got good game plans," Napoli said. "I think the pitchers see that and trust that." Phil Rogers/Tribune

Santos hasn't pitched as much as the rest of the pen. He was already prepared to enter in the 9th in a save situation, and it's good to put him out there in those blowout situations so he can learn to trust himself more and more and go after hitters directly instead of flirting with so many walks or 3-2 counts against hitters that might only hurt him 5-10% of the time if he just throws it right over the heart of the plate.

Rios, based on the last 2-3 weeks, would cost us even more (in lost season ticket sales) than Dunn. Everyone knows we have to have a LH bat in the line-up somewhere supplying power. We know his track record and have seen the back of his baseball card. But fans won't suffer a lazy player with a cavalier attitude (seemingly) who's too proud or stubborn to make the adjustments necessary to make himself a better player again with that guaranteed contract. He's going to have to throw out nights like tonight CONSISTENTLY over the next 7-8 weeks for any fans to believe 1) he should come back again, 2) he could actually be a starter or gasp leadoff hitter for this team in 2012.

Stewart's hair reminds me of that dude from TEARS FOR FEARS back in the day.

There's no way in hell they can cut Dunn after just one season. He'll get at least one more chance the first half of 2012. Rios is another story. Obviously, a lot depends on what he does the final 2 months...as far as trading for prospects, who have the Royals acquired that was any good in the last 5 years? Melky Cabrera was acquired cheaply, but everyone hates that guy in the clubhouse. He has a reputation as a malcontent. Surprised they didn't trade him while the getting was good this deadline. Francouer wouldn't have been the DH target because he's right-handed and I'm sure he would rather play in the OF everyday. He would have made sense going into 2012, especially if Quentin's traded. But to make him (or Quentin) the DH heading into this season and having almost no left-handed power, how would that have been logical? Especially based on his last 2-3 seasons. Everyone would have been all over KW. Rightfully so. And there's no guarantee that Francouer would play so well for the White Sox, where a lot more is expected out of the players than in KC. But I don't see where ANYONE was saying in the offseason that we should go out and acquire Jeff Francouer. It's like saying we should have gotten Jose Bautista. Every team in MLB had multiple opportunities to acquire the guy. I guess they do have Escobar and Cain from the Greinke trade, but it's not like trading off all the veteran players in the last decade has gotten them much at all. The Royals still desperately need starting pitching, and they need for Moustakas to hit 1) over his weight and 2) with some pop in his bat.

We're going to have to go through the next 8 games and only lose one, no more than 2. Then we might be within 3 or maybe 4 games back if we're lucky. At least we're putting the Twins out of their misery. There's that. The Twins have made a ton of uncharacteristic defensive mistakes these first 2 games. Stewart looked great, the strikeout of Mauer was huge and Frasor getting out of the 8th by acing Valencia with the fb on the inside corner. Double play to get out of the 6th with the 2-1 lead was probably the play of the game. Looks like Rios will start again tmrw with his 3 hits, unless Ozzie gives Lillibridge the start against Duensing (or maybe rests Pierre). Probably see Morel or Beckham out of the line-up (for Vizquel) as well as Flowers in, possibly. Please God, no more Adam Dunn at 1B, thanks Ozzie. Still don't like Alexei hitting with RISP. Nice to see the runs off Nathan, though. Felt happy for the Stealth Elf and Santos didn't mess around and give the Twins some encouragement heading into tomorrow's game.

How did that happen? Delmon was watching it too long? Not hustling? Perfect one-hop throw to Pierre. This, by the way, would be Stewart's first MLB victory if the score holds up.

How is that a throwing error on Butera? HAT TRICK by Dunn. 142 K's and closing in, slowly but surely, on the mystical 200 mark.

Finally the base hit in a key situation. Of course, it comes from Konerko. Not expecting anything here. Contact of some sort would be nice, however. That's what having some speed and aggressiveness can do for you. Valencia's made a ton of mistakes defensively this season. The White Sox look like the Twins for now. Throwing error charged to Butera.

Well, the Angels/Rays/DBacks would be leading this game 1-0. Baserunning mistakes have also killed us all season long. 0-14 with RISP.

Morel with his 4th walk of the season in almost 250 at-bats. 2 hits for Pierre, Ramirez and Rios now. Morel didn't get to 3rd, however. That's TOO MUCH respect for Cuddyer's arm.

DET now 3-0. Is it a completely lost cause to continue with scoreboard watching now? It seems like it. Stewart now with a "real time" sub-4 ERA in four starts against BALT, ATL, DET and Minnesota.

Looks like Stewart essentially has two sliders. 77-79 MPH version, and 85-86. The first one is more like a curveball in terms of velocity, but not as big a break obviously.

Hopefully he'll throw Gordon a change-up. He definitely can't hit a fastball this season. Another good defensive play by Beckham...at least there's that one good aspect of his game if nothing else.

Rios threatening to get back into the starting line-up again. 2 hits now. When's the last time Alex stole a base?

Konerko with "only" an 800 ops in July. That's his worst month of the season. Pretty amazing how consistent he's been all year long. Stewart working pretty quickly. Only 31 pitches coming into the Mauer at-bat. 3 scoreless innings, five pitches total. Couldn't ask for anything more out of him so far. Keep it up, longhair.

Not bad so far. Definitely no Jeff Marquez, at least. Looks like worst-case scenario he'll be a decent 5th starter under team control cheaply for 6 years. That's not a bad payoff for Edwin Jackson at all. Pierre and Gordon have almost the same exact OPS. I don't think that's a good thing. At least they're both way above Dunn, Morel and Rios. White Sox 0 for their last 12 with RISP. 1st and 2nd now, 2 ours. C'mon Konerko. 2 hits for Ramirez in his familiar two hole in the line-up. Make that 0 for 13 with RISP in this series so far.

Got a "slow" slider or slurve at 74 MPH there. Settling in at 92-93 MPH with the fastball.

140 K's now for Dunn. Still trailing our former #1 draft pick Mitchell in Winston-Salem. Detroit already jumping out to the quick lead with Verlander on the mound, up 2-0. Looks like we're going to have to win this game or be on the verge of elimination and 7 1/2 games back. Well, Rios got a hit against Pavano, something Quentin's never done before. Please Gordon, at some point this season, go on a tear before it's too late. We've been waiting since Opening Day. And waiting...