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I don't know, I'd have to go with the Lefty Williams curveball on that score.

It sounds like some kind of new snack chip....like a saltine cracker by Sun Chips. Not scary or intimidating at all. The Slidinators doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, either.

White Sox continue their tour of former pitching prospects from other teams....Reyes with the Braves, now Hunter from the Rangers.

What's a Rioist? Is that like a Maoist? Rios has been resurrected from the dead? You support him if he hits above .200? A bit confused here.

Hoyt Wilhelm knuckleball has to be up there somewhere for consideration in this category. Even the Charlie Hough knuckleball... Let's see, Goose Gossage fastball in the early 70's.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110809/SPOR...3/1050/sports02? I thought this was an interesting way to assess the work of Dombrowski and Leyland...because the team's attendance has been up and he's secured the rotation through 2014 (Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello, Fister, Turner) then he's defined as a success? Wow! Good thing they weren't using those two criteria for KW. It would be a big failure in both items, because the future of our rotation is anything but stable or predictable beginning 7 weeks from now or even this week. Loved this response in the messages section at the bottom.... Dombrowski is 726-846 as Tigers GM - think the RED WINGS would RE-SIGN a GM that had a 46% WINNING PERCENTAGE??? DD has done MORE HARM THAN GOOD - HE'S ONLY WON ONCE, ONE WS, IN HIS WHOLE GD CAREER!!!!! STOP TREATING HIM LIKE A HOF GM WHEN HE'S CLEARLY NOT - HOW MUCH $$$ HAS DD WASTED??? ADD IT UP - OVER $100 MILLION!!! DD hasn't won SQUAT HERE - is he WRITING HIS OWN CHECKS or is Ilitch now COMPLETELY SENILE??? Leyland's MENTAL health is everyone's concern - anyone who bats RYAN RAYBURN 3RD WILL LOSE EVERY TIME BOYCOTT LITTLE CAESAR'S - I DON'T MISS IT AND MY VITALS HAVE IMPROVED SINCE I QUIT THAT INFERIOR PRODUCT Now if they had WON a DIVISION TITLE since 1987 (or since I bought them in the 90's) and had BETTER than the 11th best record in the MLB out of the 30 teams (making the Tigers SECOND TIER, MIDDLE OF THE PACK) there might be some justification The AL Central is a JOKE - the Tigers are 3RD in EVERY OTHER DIVISION Detroit is a BORING PLACE in the summer - CoPa and the casinos are the draw, not the product on the field How's INGE doing on TOLEDO where he BELONGS??? Heard as much about him lately as ZUMAYA!! Funny how the Tigers have WON MORE since K-INGE went DOWN - watch Leyland bring him up in September and the WS take the AL Central

And Morel too (replacement level stats at 3B), although it's not as fair to pick on him as Rios/Dunn/Peavy. Beckham and Pierre deserve just as much, if not more, criticism. And we don't really know how much the White Sox have got back on Peavy's contract...if he pitches the final two months like he has the last 3 starts, he might actually come fairly close to the level of his contract if you include all the payouts from insurance. That's another figure not figured into salary/payroll projections for the Sox.

So it's pretty fair to say we're down about 15-20% in revenues generated strictly from 81 gamedays. And the team supposedly made $25 million in profit with a payroll roughly $25 million lower in 2010. I suppose it makes sense...or it could be they're already planting the idea that the highest the payroll could possibly be in 2012 is $113 million or so (without Buehrle still in the fold, probably $95-105 million). Of course, they're already saving some money with Edwin, Teahen and possibly Frasor leaving at the end of the season with Type B comp. coming back.

It goes way, way beyond Daniel Hudson. You could cut $50-75 million from our payroll and come close to the same record with replacement level performance at 3-4 key positions.

It would have been better if Sale wasn't so darned good out the pen last year...but, even then, they STILL had Thornton, so there was no pressing reason not to let Sale start (in 2011), because Thornton was also in the fold. Of course, the way it's turned on, he's our second most important relief pitcher....and you could argue the most, because he can pitch anytime between the 5th and 9th against lefties or righties. And it's not like they could have projected Humber being such a strong starter the first 3 months of the season either. Not even Don Cooper's that prescient.

Or t-shirts with the color of the opposing team, reverse "black out." Obviously having more Yankees or Red Sox fans in the stadium SHOULD HAVE made them feel like they were on the road but that didn't exactly work out well.

Maybe the club sees it like free advertising and building/extending the fanbase? Like TBS/Turner with the Braves in the 80's and 90's. It's a good question. Logically, you would ASSUME that a superstation's games would net more revenue than a regional broadcasting sports network?

Quite frankly, we should be close to elated with a 675-725 out of either Morel or Beckham at this point.

C'mon Charlie Brown, kick the football. Oops, what happened? The winning run was the Indians' first since they scored two in the first inning. The game started at 7:06 p.m. and ended at 1:52 a.m. It was the Tribe's 13th walk-off win at home. They are 18-14 in games decided in the last at-bat. The Indians managed just three hits in the last 13 innings. The win went Frank Herrmann (3-0), the seventh and final reliever to pitch for the Tribe. If the game had gone to the 15th inning, Josh Tomlin was warming to enter. cleveland.com/sports Choo likely to come back next week. Sizemore, possibly back in September. 12 in a row at home against DET. Let's go, Indians. At least for 2 more games. Or do we want CLE to split with Verlander winning the final game? Sweeping DET would seem to be the preferable result, even if it keeps them in front of us. By the way, I bet not too many teams in MLB history have made the playoffs with a record of more than 5 games under .500 at home and more than 5 games over .500 on the road. Solutions? Stay in a hotel for home games and bus over together? Play in Milwaukee? Black/alternate jerseys at home? Switch dugouts? Tell Carlos to quit being "so intense" in front of home crowds, where he has sucked this season...and Gordon the last couple of years?? Trick Gavin into thinking home games are road games....like in "Goodbye, Lenin!"???

Trading Beckham at his lowest possible value just doesn't make any sense. Rios could be the leadoff hitter. Or Lillibridge/DeAza. Ramirez would be the 3rd best option. Go with Door #2.

Extend KW! Lifetime Movie of the Week. Who will play Sergio? Let's go boys!

First time in 20 years that has happened for the Indians. Last time was in 1991, the famed Alex Cole was hit in the Steve Urkel goggles.

Both key elements of that play (Pauley and Fukudome) were acquired at the deadline. Kosuke was awful in the game but they somehow managed to win, probably the most important game of the season (for CLE) after blowing 4 late inning leads in 7 games on their recent road trip. Too bad the Twins lost again. Not!

BUMP. I still want to see how we're losing $14 million this season....or $8 million/$10 million, whatever it is after we shed Jackson and Teahen. Indians win in the bottom of the 14th (yet again at home, making it 12 in a row over the Tigers) on a Fukudome based-loaded hit by pitch (off Pauley) to pull within 3 and the White Sox now 4 back. Amazing effort by both bullpens. Game over at almost 2 am CLE time. Indians used their entire pen and had their Sunday starter, Tomlin, ready to go in the 15th. 25,317 in attendance and most stayed until the end.

So did Brian Anderson's two homers in one game off King Felix, lol. Only the Yankees, Phillies and Red Sox have a better road winning percentage than the White Sox. http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/group/9...cent/order/true We're tied for 4th with FLA and ATL.

Extra innings in Cleveland. 2-2. That darned Below for the Tiggers had something like a no-hitter going if you put together his last 3 relief appearances in a row. Durbin was great too, despite a 6+ season ERA. 7 innings of shutout ball from both teams' relief corps Still tied going into the bottom of the 11th. Al Albuquerque has incredible IP/H and K/9 numbers. Something like a .145 average against. BTW, the last three games of the season, Cleveland is in Detroit. Hopefully we can sneak away with the division while they're beating up each other like tonight. Interestingly, DET didn't bunt the leadoff hitter (Cabrera) on base in the top of the inning and Raburn up. Same situation, Carerra walked and Brantley moved him to 2nd. CLE has 2 chances to win now. Crosses fingers for 4 GB and not a tie for 2nd place with CLE, 5 GB. Foul ball by a matter of feet...Kipnis almost won it down the line with a walkoff homer.

QUOTE (gosox41 @ Aug 9, 2011 -> 09:32 PM) If they finish strong and Dunn and Rios play like major league players for the rest of the season then I can see the payroll being in the $100-110MM range. FWIW, Peter Gammons said he heard the Sox would lose $14M this season before the Edwin Jackson trade. So now it's closer to $10M. If this team actually gets legitmately back into a pennant race (need to see .500 first before I'll even worry about catching CLE let alone DET) they may actually lose closer to $8M if attendance increases. Attendance increasing in Sept in a big 'if'. Bob We supposedly made $40 million profit over the last two years (combined) so I guess nobody will be homeless among the Board of Directors. Whew! That's a relief. I'd infer that projected revenue number was based on extrapolating their average attendance of 25,000 over the remainder of the season....without increasing for being in playoff contention or decreasing for being completely out of it.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 9, 2011 -> 08:42 PM) Greg, Maybe youd have more context on my complaints if; 1) you read it from when Ohman was put in the game and 2) you actually watched the game. Im usually not that hard on players/managers (there is almost 10 years of track record you can look up), but Ozzie is not a good manager. And ive been really patient hoping that hed learn the more he managed. Sometimes I really think he's trying to embarass KW by using Ohman in key situations. "He's on the roster, so's I gotta to use him (in the most inexplicable situations for the last guy out of the bullpen)." He had to do it the previous Sunday in the 9th inning when we were down only 4-3 against BOS and Adrian Gonzalez put the game out of reach essentially. I actually turned off the TV because I felt like Ohman was going to give up the tying run and I didn't want to break my remote control.

"20-25 homers a season projection"...okay Hawk, let's just start with 12-18 homers we heard the same types of comments about Brian Anderson putting up Torii Hunter-esque numbers if he played everyday

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 9, 2011 -> 09:07 PM) yes, but since he's searching desperately for a string of negatives to post about the game, you have to cut him some slack. Is it back to we can only post positives when we win games because we won, so everything must have been right/correct? Let's keep in mind it's the Orioles we're playing, not the Tigers. 1) Lillibridge is our best option at 1B defensively 2) Morel has been looking better at the plate recently 3) Quentin is showing signs of going on a hot streak and carrying the team for 7-10 games at a time like he did in 2008. 4) Floyd survived the adversity and pitched through it coming off the rough start against the Yankees 5) Frasor got a key out of Vladimir Guerrero (although Hawk was right, 2-3 years ago Guerrero drops the head of the bat more quickly and crushes it) 6) Chris Sale has been the most improved player on the Sox from April-May until now 7) Santos is becoming a monster 8) AJ is the consummate professional hitter 9) Team just seems more confident and has been holding leads or rallying when necessary 10) First five game win streak for the Sox....White Sox are 7 games over .500 now on the road