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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 07:04 PM) If you expect me to go through this entire thread to find it to satisfy your curiosity then you would be wrong. You are perfectly capable of doing that yourself. Trust me you will find it but it may take a few hours. I'm not just making it up.

QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 03:31 PM) It's risky, but the upside is three superstars with Robert in the wings. For a year.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) Avi and Anderson. Get it done Hahn. That's bats***.

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 08:47 AM) Some people on here want them to be bad until their lives are over. Some people on here want to swim in an Olympic sized swimming pool filled with mashed potatoes and gravy.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 05:59 AM) OK lets look at some facts. Manny Machado is a gold glove 3rd baseman. Manny Machado has 2 bad knees. So why would he want to switch to SS ? Answer : To maximize his value. A premier SS is worth more than a corner infielder. So why would he wait till now to want to switch to SS ? Because he knows he has 2 bad knees and playing SS for 1 year right before free agency minimizes the health risk rather than doing it for multiple years. Conclusion : No way in hell does Manny Machado not become a free agent. This is a calculated move on his part to make himself more valuable. It is a pipedream to think otherwise and would be a waste to offer anything to acquire him for a year and think he won't test free agency. After so much regurgitation, here's a nugget of something new. Thanks Ron. ( virtual fist bump )...

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:32 PM) Some dude in KC is not "the baseball world". I'd like to see this team compete for a wild card next year, because that means everything is going right, but it's still easy to see a 90+ loss team in 2018 and that not necessarily reflecting poorly on the rebuild. There's a slim ass chance of that considering our bullpen... if you even want to call it that. LOL

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:02 PM) I hope Eloy/Robert is > Rutherford. Hah - yea, that's a given.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 06:13 PM) Nobody is upset if you start new threads. +1

QUOTE (whitesoxwinner @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:35 PM) Is everybody down on Blake Rutherford? I still think he can be a stud. He was a young kid who struggled after getting traded. I still see a ton of talent/potential once he grows into his body. I've been onboard the Rutherford train since the draft. Wanted us to take him with our pick and was kinda pissed we went with Collins instead.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:30 PM) Dave is friends with Rick Hahn. I think that Hahn uses him to reach out to the fan base and gauge Sox nation reactions. You do know that when he says, "my friend Rick Hahn..." he says so in a tounge-in-cheek fashion, right?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 01:29 PM) Teams move top 100 prospects for 2 month rentals. I'm sure any deal for Machado will also include at least one top 100. It's crazy to say he's not worth that when top 100 guys literally get traded for 2 months of a guy. Now is that worth it to us? Probably not but that's because of where we currently are. Yea... losing ANY assets makes ZERO sense unless he's resigned.

In other news, net neutrality was voted to be repealed just a few minutes ago. f***ing awful.

QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) This is on its way to becoming another ace speeds thread, let’s top it! We have, what, 50 more mobile pages to go? 140+ We've had threads go to > 200+ pages before... I believe Cespedes went to 300+ haha

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:19 PM) ... thinks he goes to the Cardinals. That's where I'm at. Their need for him and their current situation makes WAY more sense for them to open up the prospect bank than us.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:47 AM) Well things are heating up. I like this Dan Clark fellow: https://twitter.com/danclarksports/status/941155857022066688

Anyone else find it "curious" that this report came out a day before this whole Machado circus popped off? A centerpiece deal for MM featuring Rodon makes more sense for us... it's risk for risk... as others have stated thou, the Os are just about the last team in baseball who has a history that displays their willingness to take a risk on the health of pitchers in trades. Oh, my... I'm so confused.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:34 AM) Rosenthal has a great reputation, but I’m not buying that the Orioles have their choice of Kopech or Giolito. Hard pass on a deal that involves either. Just reading that so simply put shoots down that rumor, IMO. I mean... is having that choice really a "choice"? It's a no brained!

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:34 AM) Agreed which is why I hope the Sox bet on him for next year Yea, there's literally no reason not to keep him if this is indeed the case.

What type of win production would we expect to see in 2018 with this type of team: Lineup: 2B - Moncada SS - Machado 1B - Abreu RF - Eloy ( as of June ) / Avi prior LF - Avi ( as of June ) / Delmonico prior C - Castillo DH - Davidson CF - Anderson 3B - Sanchez Rotation: Rodon ( questionable to start in April ) Kopech ( as of June ) / FA prior Lopez Shields Fulmer Bullpen: Horses***. I mean... it just doesn't make sense to give up even Giolito... if MM isn't locked up then count me out of this madness... for sure!

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:23 AM) Bichette is a top 35-50 prospect in baseball. No chance Avi has that type of value. To be fair, wasn't Avi in roughly that same prospect range ( #48 if I recall ) when we acquired him for Jake Peavy?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:15 AM) Most leaks this early in the process are typically strategic, which supports what you’re saying. Trading Kopech for Machado is most certainly robbing Peter to pay Paul, so I just can’t see it happening. The same applies to Giolito to a lesser extent. Ahhhhh - I finally see the context of this whole Peter / Paul analogy... Peter = Nationals & Red Sox... Paul = Os I'm obviously lacking caffeine today.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:10 AM) Watching MLBN now, Rosenthal just said that the Sox are most aggressive in their pursuit of Machado. Mentioned that Baltimore management is on their back home and will talk to ownership in the next 24-48 hours about Machado trade talks. Scary thing is that he said that the Sox have one of Giolito or Kopech, but not both. Wow. I really hope this doesn't go down unless they're VERY confident that they will sign him to a 325+ | 10 year deal with opt outs at years 4, 6, and 8 - give him whatever the f*** he wants. Jeez - I'm gonna be like a crackhead until Monday. ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:25 AM) Really no reason to use that word, bruh. I'll add it to the ever expanding list of words that I must consciously avoid at all times. Seriously thou, it was said just in passing with no disrespect intended. This is a baseball forum not a dissertation. Sorry if a word offended you.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) I feel you, lucky for me on I’m vacation and have the bandwidth right now to fully enjoy these rumors. ? I certainly don't enjoy the prospect of shipping out some of our best for such a retarded risk. Thumbs waaaaaay down. Don't see it happening. If this was KW still running the show, I bet it'd be done and announced two or three days ago.