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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 12:34 PM) 3 years? Absolutely. Any deal is going to have to follow closely to the historicals of what players get paid around baseball in years 1-6 based on their performance. No players are going to get paid more than $5 million for their first three years of major league service. Again, it is all about the comps. Players make half a million or SLIGHTLY above it their first year. They might get a bit more than that their second year, but even the top players are going to make about a million dollars their second year. Mike Trout made $510k his second full year, and $1 million for his 3rd. That is about $2 million total for one of the best first three years in MLB history. Tim Anderson who signed a super early extension to get some money up front is getting $850k for his first full year, $1 mil for his second year, and $1.4 for his third. That is slightly over $3 million for his first three full years. A 3/40 deal in his first year would be thrown out quick. You'd need a deal of AT LEAST six years to be able to argue for a $40 million contract. Well, we did kinda set a presidence with the Anderson extension. Again thou, Otani to Sox is a Hail Mary from the top of Hail Mary Mountain.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 12:32 PM) Yoan has been barreling up the ball a bit more this series.Nice to see Dudes gonna be a stud. Not worries about him one bit.

Hawk just did an unintended Forrest Gump impression on that Anderson blooper while saying, "that could be trouble".

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 12:27 PM) While Tilson may no longer exist in the realm of the White Sox he may still be in the team photo.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 12:12 PM) How could you +1 that ? It's like saying let's just give up . The Otani situation is unique in that he will not get big bucks for his 1st year. It would be ludicrous not to make every attempt to pursue him. It's just the truth man - our chances of signing him are pretty much 0 when stacked up against other options. I'm sure that we'll put our best most creative foot forward but my expectations are not high that he'll even consider us a contender for a landing spot.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 12:12 PM) Holy cow the info that ptatc shares with the board, much appreciated. Do you do consultations as well, lol? He's my favorite poster on this site - hands down... most valuable and unique insight I've ever seen in a public forum.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 12:02 PM) Otani to Sox talk seems extremely moot. Lets shoot for 800 pages this time!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) ... he isn't coming to the White Sox, and wouldn't be coming to the White Sox had they not signed Robert. +1

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 07:34 AM) We seriously need to get past this. They weren't rebuilding yet when they made that trade. It happened. It's over. Not just referring to you hi8is but just the posts about Tatis in general. It's over but it still hurts and will likely just keep stinging more. That all gets erased when we're a powerhouse. Until then, it's the line thorn remaining.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 07:21 AM) Is this a scenario where PRP could be helpful in the healing process? PRP?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 07:23 AM) They are likely ending up at 3, but the Giants have been playing better of late, and the Sox rotation is inconsistent at best and bad at worst. They still have a chance at getting #1.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 07:59 AM) Should we be worried about the dodgers? Nope, they're the 2005 White Sox and the diamond backs are the 2005 Indians.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 05:11 PM) -- He's never the same guy That would royally suck but we're honestly insulated against it. Kopech Giolito Lopez Dunning Hansen Cease Adams Stephens Guerrero Clarkin Fulmer And there could be another ace potential SP coming in the next draft. We're a damned pitching factory and I'm sure we'll be fine. The biggest issues have been positional players and overall depth pieces... both are areas that we're also making great strides in. We'll also have a boat load of cash coming up. I'd prefer of course for Rodon to be healthy and reach his TOR potential... but we've got so many things going in the right direction... from the farm to upcoming drafts to budgetary flexibility. Go Sox. f*** it all.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 08:06 PM) Davidson has been as bad as Rons baseball assessments since he came off the DL

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 08:43 PM) Extremely strange piece of trivia considering this season Damn - no joke ?

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 07:36 PM) Will the Tigers be four games worse than the Sox the last 19 games? It's looking more and more possible but I believe Captin Covey and his trusty sidekick James will save the day for us.

It would have been. All bad. At least now it's been bad with rays of good on the horizon.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 11:28 PM) What is the tie-breaker for draft position? Previous year record. Better record last year gets the less favorable upcoming pick. Examples: Sox tie with Giants... Sox would get the better pick since the Giants where better last year. Sox tie with Phillies... Phillies would get better pick since we where better last year.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 10:19 PM) So any thoughts on if this was Fulmer with his best stuff? If so then that sucks because what makes pitchers good ones is that they can still not get shelled with their mediocre or bad stuff. If this was middling stuff, then hell yea Fulmer. We have not yet seen him at his best.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 07:38 PM) I agree; he's looked good and don't forget the Coop influence. In the minors our guys get questionable tutoring. In the bigs, the pitchers have Cooper. Fulmer looked damn good today, folks. Yep. Lots of room for improvement and trending positively ( finally ). Small grain of salt here with the sample size but I've always believed he'll have value as a big league pitcher. Dudes not a lots cause as some have suggested.... ( along with Rodon, Burger, and some of the other young guys that another poster wrote off earlier in the week. )

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 04:23 PM) Yeah, that's true. I'm really not mad here. No sense going any further over something so trivial. I want the Sox to lose EVERY GAME this month. That's just me. I will admit I haven't even looked at what Bumgarner has been doing recently and even if I knew he had been struggling or not pitching up to his extremely high standards I would still expect the Giants to win. They didn't. Oh well. You've matured well, grasshoppa.... myself, not so much.

Finally got to watch the condensed game. Fulmer looked really improved. Love the movement he had on his fastball... reminded me of his Vandy years - through not as nasty due to a loss of 3 - 5 mph. If he can harness more control, perhaps all hope isn't lost for him as a SP. Move him to the bullpen and I still believe he can have a good career that is high value... one where we'll see him throwing more nasty Vandy like s***.

Oh... to have Tatis Jr. still. Ok.... divergence over. Carry on.

Wish I was watching this game for one reason really... Fulmer.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Sep 9, 2017 -> 01:43 PM) We don't know how his whole career will turn out, agree. What I'm asserting (and I think a study would back this up), is that if you looked at a players first 130 AB's there's likely to be a statistical relationship between how they do initially, and how they do over their career. I'm not saying the r^2 would be 0.8, but I'm guessing it's positive. Doesn't mean it will apply to him, but I bet the relationship is there and that's why it's concerning. Wonder how Mike Trout did when he first came up??? Robin Ventura??? Jose Bautista??? A-Rod???? Aaron Judge? One could cherry pick both sides but really we just need to be patient and give the guy 1,000 at bats or so.