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QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 07:03 PM) Yep, I was editing while you typed this. I just don't think they should focus on the max they can get for Q or DRob. Throw in another veteran with the idea that it doesn't matter if we "win" the trade. We just want a number 1 prospect. I could see Q + Frazier / Melky and Robertson + Kahnle / Swarzak packages being offered.

July 31st sure will be super interesting this season!

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 06:57 PM) Sox should be packaging DRob with Jones to pull the best prospects from a team. Same thing with Q. Don't worry so much about getting multiple prospects at this point, just offer enough to get the best prospects from other teams. Jones - he hath been on the DL since what... April?

QUOTE (KnightsOnMintSt @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 05:27 PM) I really hope that these guys really start to get more recognition. Stephens has done so well at the Double-A level with a 0.98 ERA through 3 starts. Hickman, not including tonight, with a 1.93 ERA through 3 starts as well. He is also allowing just 1 BB per start. Always nice to have depth, especially considering we already have Giolito, Kopech, Fulmer, Lopez, Dunning, and Hansen. They are the two most underrated players in our system right now IMO but by this time next year, they'll become household names.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 04:06 PM) https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2...KP8N/story.html

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 11:34 PM) What do you guys have against contending? Nobody ever addresses my comment about trying to win with a real manager. Robin was THAT bad. And Sox brass wasn't ready to give up on Avi yet. Nobody would have wanted him in a trade and if he had another ridicuously bad season they'd just drop him as they did Tank. You keep Sale and Eaton, those are two huge pieces. We are 5 out. What would we be with them?? Like I said even after the Sale and Eaton trades the Sox are technically afloat at just five back. You bring up Moncada and one of the starters the Sox acquired, could the Sox contend? I think our starting rotation is pretty darn bad so I wouldn't bet squat on us contending the rest of the way, but facts are facts. You'll reach a point in life where you realize that some conversations just aren't worth any more continued engagement.

Amazing how far we've come in just a couple of short years.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 09:37 PM) We're five games out. Had the team tinkered instead of done the so called rebuild we might win the division this year. Sale went 13; Trout was what 23rd? Who gives a flip about the draft? We're five games out and never gave the team a chance with a real manager, not Robin. Yea... shouldn't have asked. Carry on gent.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 08:36 PM) I agree El Rockin but they disagree with you and me. The rebuilding people don't give a flip who replaces the ones we trade for now. They feel it will just help us lose and losses are what they thrive on now during the so called rebuild. Remember they want us to lose so we get a top three pick. Nevermind that Chris Sale went No. 13 in the draft -- that's right No. 13. Quintana, yay. Winning... poop. You seriously think we'd be better off at a middle order pick in 18 than being able to add someone like Beer or Gray? Oh yea, this is Greg I'm talking to... shouldn't ask.

Kopech must be gassed. Good for him as this is where he starts to grow and mature.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 09:08 AM) Marlins-Braves is the only suck vs suck series this weekend. If the Sox somehow swept the Blue Jays, they could go from 4 to 13 in a week. So don't do that. I hope Q throws 8 shutout innings an a no decision loss... starting a 5 game losing streak.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 12:34 PM) So Jackson is on the Nats and Holmberg on the Sox

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QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jun 15, 2017 -> 09:09 PM) Every case is different however I would say that a lot of these are when the offender wants power and control over something in their lives. As I mentioned earlier it might also be exploring sexuality (seen a lot when teenage boys molest other boys), or maybe they are just plain attracted to children. Most of the time once they are deep into their counseling they discover for themselves what it is they are really getting out of it. Once they figure that out they can start to "heal" themselves. As far as the red flag comments goes, we would have the offenders create safety plans where they would recognize whenever they were about to have thoughts. My group would make a list about ten things they need to be mindful of and 5 things that were extremely high risk. For instance, arguing with mom and dad would be something an offender would have to be mindful of because it could set off a chain reaction of events, or a cycle as we call it. That argument could lead to this teenager shutting out his parents (remember, offenders love control), hiding in his room, watching porn, manipulating, until eventually reoffending. As a counselor it was easy to see who was in a cycle. Some kids would be wearing their coats in the middle of summer (they are hiding something), others just wouldn't bathe (trying to push people away). Some would say outlandish comments to try and get a reaction out of you (pushing away again or 'hey, please ask me what is wrong'. Being able to exit this cycle is crucial and creating this safety plan is a must. So if a teenager is able to say to himself "ok, I am starting to argue, I am going to say OK to this and not let it affect me", then the above scenario not likely to happen. If that kid argues and shuts his door, he has to be aware that he is in a cycle and that he needs to find a way to exit it as soon as possible before things get worse. That is just one example of many, everyone has triggers. For instance when I was quitting smoking I couldn't go on balconies and there were some friends I just couldn't see because I knew I would relapse. If I did happen to be around those friends on a balcony, I would have to figure out a way to either remove myself or have them punch me in the face if i asked for a smoke. Anything not to smoke. The 5 things that were of extreme high risk would be being alone with children at any time, not informing your support team of activities involving minors, lying (power again, lying for whatever reason gives them adrenaline rush), being around computers alone, or having sexual thoughts relating to children. If these events were to trigger than the offender would need to reach out for support. It may sound silly but these lists were INGRAINED in their brains and they lived by them. As strange as that sounds it is the most important thing for these kids because 99% of them WANT to get better. They want to be normal. With all that said, that is why I am concerned with him being alone with minors still. That is the most basic thing they teach these offenders and since it was beaten in his head for 2 years he should know better than that. That is a red flag meaning hes being sneaky about it. Sneaky is high risk. Anyways, sorry if the above is confusing and all over the place. I typed it up fast and there is a lot to say on the topic. Thanks for sharing your insights and experience - I found it insightful and succinct. Cheers ??

QUOTE (Scoots @ Jun 15, 2017 -> 04:40 AM) I think I heard Stoney yesterday say the Sox have the best batting average in the league since May 16. That's pretty darn good for a rebuilding team. That's shocking

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 15, 2017 -> 09:23 AM) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2715249...eball-prospects http://herosports.com/mlb/2018-mlb-draft-d...nger-bubic-bkbk I really want that third pick and hope two go before Beer. If we don't get him then I really would hope we take Gray over Kowar.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 10:13 PM) Draft recap from White Sox.com noting their change in philosophy: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/236...tters-in-draft/ Interesting nugget:

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 05:42 PM) I bet he's referring to Austin Beck "There was a time in the third round where we were targeting a high school guy and got picked," Hostetler said. "We got picked three different times on high school players."

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 06:32 PM) ... I did read that he put himself in a situation where he had no support that knew of his past and that he was still spending time around minors. Not sure what minors means in this context. Still, that isn't something he should have done and if his counseling was any good he would know that. That is a huge red flag. Thanks for your thoughts in a couple of places here. Can you expound upon the above, as I haven't come across it and don't have your background. Also, what do you think of the fact that this abuse happened for two years starting when the victim was 4 and ending when she was 6? I understand completely what you mean about being kept up at night by being exposed to this sort of trauma. Been there. The concept of secondary victim or trauma by proxy is real.

Also found it fun to learn that Hiura was from my high school and Greene was from the same town as well. Santa Clarita valley represented hard core this draft.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 05:44 PM) Would be interesting to know if they would have taken Adell or Burger...or Hiura. Yea I would have loved to see how they ranked the "5 players" they had on their board.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 03:17 PM) Scott MerkinVerified account @scottmerkin Chance King, the White Sox 39th round selection, is Larry King's son. 0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 11:13 AM) That's kind of my point. If this had come out like 3 years ago, he would be drafted by now, right? This can't be a death sentence for this kid, it was just bad timing for his career. How long is the appropriate amount of time until a team can give him a chance again? It's just kind of an interesting societal case study, that's mostly related to Public Relations blow back. Who knows what the ramifications would have been if the story broke 3 years ago. Maybe he wouldn't have even played college ball.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 10:43 AM) Callis raves about White Sox draft This was just posted today, have yet to listen to it yet however. I'm currently listening. Says on Sheets that he was surprised that he was there for us at pick 47. Says that we may have the best value pick out of round 7 for a guy that he had as a round 2 pick. Thinks our second day over all was the second best draft, first being the Twins. Not directly related to the draft but he also says Robert would have been considered for 1-1 and is comparable to Lewis.

The voice of a "second chance" expressed from a leading rehabilitation expert: http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/36...-luke-heimlich-