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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 30, 2008 -> 10:08 AM) I still think there is a chance that Griffey is back next year. I think this was about them not picking up his option, which, duh, no one is paying $16 million for the guy. This doesn't mean we couldn't wait around and see what kind of offers he gets. Especially if one of the OFs/PK is dealt over the winter, Griffey could be a guy who could contribute 4 to 5 days a week and play RF, CF and DH. I could also see him being a quick study at 1B. Resigning Griffey?? Why? The guy is old, slow, and not what we need. Geez while we are at it why don't we bring back Roberto Alomar to play 2nd, Griffey plays center, and sign Kenny Rogers..Just sign all the old and over the hill players!!

Magglio is not going anywhere and even if he does it will definitely not be here! I don't care if he hits .300, his attitude sucks and there is still friction in this organization on this matter. Let's talk about something that is somewhat realistic here please!!

How about this deal! I am going out on a limb here... Hanley Ramirez traded to the Whitesox for Aaron Poreda, Josh Fields, and Clayton Richard.

My 2009 Pitching Staff Buehrle Floyd Danks Vazquez Byrd sign 1-2 year deal *gives us innings* Bullpen Contreras long relief Thornton Richard I believe he is meant for bullpen Linebrink Jenks

I have to say 2008 because they won 2 playoff games..That Minnesota game was the season for me...2000 was a let down because we went into the playoffs with so much hope and were let down! I mean embarressed..especially at home! Frank popped everything up and had 0 hits, we couldn't score runs late, we basically had no chance in any of those games against Seattle! I remember the season being fun like this one, but we had a huge division lead, and knew we would claim the title. This year it came down to 163 so there is absolutely no comparison. This is how I will rate the last 5 appearances 1) 2005 Most exciting team of course! 2) 1993 Very exciting team, would of bounced back in 1994 3) 2008 Game 163 4) 2000 Playoff disappointment 5) 1983 almost a replica of 2000

This offseason is I think going to remind me of 2005...Think about it..Kenny said almost the same thing at the end of 2004 as he is saying now. He knows pitching, speed, and defense win a championship! It did in 2005... Surprises I could definitely see come from the NL...I don't think we'll sign Hudson because he will want a longer deal and we won't give it to him. He has been injured the last few seasons so it is a risk to do so..I think the Mets and Brewers are two teams that would be interested in Vazquez. I could see Luis Castillo being a possible. Would give us a guy who could bunt, thank god! Mike Cameron could be a possible to patrol center...Personally I'd like to see Chone, but I don't think it will happen. i felt it could of happened last year for Konerko, but it didn't. Dye would attract lots of teams and he has only 1 year left I believe on his contract. He came off a great year and I could see even a team like Tampa being interested in him if they don't win the series. A veteran with a ring for Carl Crawford would be nice! If there is one player I would love to have here and I wouldn't care what it would cost would be Manny!!! I mean come on the guy is a winner... Trade Bait wise we have Dye (the most) Vazquez (NL) Konerko waives his no trade, good 2nd half Thome isn't going anywhere, he's a hometown guy Swisher isn't going anywhere Fields (pretty good) It is going to be a fun offseason!!

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 12, 2008 -> 08:00 PM) Uhhh, no. The Boston Cubs have 2 pitchers, one of which we hit well in Lester. Becket is spent and with that full, healthy, squad I'd see a ring easily. Imagine if we would of gotten a leadoff hitter instead of griffey and had q and crede. We would have won the division in minnesota!

22 Jose Jose Jose...haha Its got to be 35 hands down!

QUOTE (beautox @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 04:19 PM) and i for one would think they would be willing to deal perez because they've got Jennings and Royster, Ruggiano and Pedroza down on the farm. We don't have enough to pull that off anyway. Plus Kenny usually gets guys down in the minors that teams have given up on like carlos quentin. I'm still sticking to this easy prediction that we will get a guy that noone on this board has even mentioned.

O.K. I am going out on a limb with this one. I say sign Abreu, dump Thome's large contract, trade Vasquez for a bag of balls, sign Paul Byrd as a 4th starter, keep the bullpen the way it is, trade Vasquez and prospects to the Pirates for Freddie Sanchez or Jack Wilson. 2009 2B Freddie Sanchez CF Bobbie Abreu (this guy can hit anywhere) LF Carlos Quentin DH Jermaine Dye 1B Paul Konerko RF Nick Swisher SS Alexei Ramirez C A.J. Pierzynski 3B Josh Fields

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 07:23 PM) neither Wilson nor Kotsay should be anywhere near the leadoff spot for a team at any time in the future Who thought Swisher would be leading off in 2008? Anything can or will happen with Kenny.

Mine is going to look like this!! CF Mark Kotsay 2B Jack Wilson LF Carlos Quentin RF Jermaine Dye DH Jim Thome 1B Paul Konerko 3B Josh Fields C A.J. Pierzynski SS Alexei Ramirez Adds Speed to the top and speed from the 9 hitter. I just see this happening

Kenny will bring a leadoff hitter here who can do the little things! If you look at the trades or the acquisitions, you know it will either be someone who another team has dumped on for an old power hitter or a veteran who is 3-5 years passed due. In 2002 it was Kenny Loften, 2003 he got Roberto Alomar at the all star break, 2005 Scott Podsednik was a special case because the guy was coming off a 70 stolen base season. In my opinion it won't be Roberts because Kenny won't give up that much, it won't be Figgins unless Konerko waves his no trade (this could be a minor possibility like last year with the 1 for 1)...The ones I could see coming here are JACK WILSON from the Pirates because they need a bopper in that lineup and Kenny has dealt with the Pirates before and MARK KOTSAY fits here very well. No one is talking about these guys much...Hudson is wanted by Kenny, but I think someone will overpay for him.

I never said it was just stringing together hits, but the walk or hit first, then the bunt or hit to the opposite side to get him over, then stringing together hits to keep the line moving. It always starts with fundamentals and small ball of executing...... Seriously I would think that some on soxtalk whitesoxfan99 and almagest are baseball analysts or baseball insider's, but then I realize..nope just employees at McDonalds!

Wow I was just comparing the two scenarios!

Before the season started the Sun Times had this as the headline. They are blown trades because they were deals Kenny wanted but just couldn't get the triggered pulled from the other parties. This post is just a hypothetical question to see if this team would be better or worse than the team right now?

See the Whitesox are a dumb team sometimes. If they need a single, they swing for the fences. A double fences , a walk, they swing at it. The RedSox hit homeruns at the right time to bury a team and gain momentum. Why don't we rephrase and see who's hit the most solo shots this year? Ding ding ding...Whitesox!

Did or did not all of those world series champions string hits together or were they homerun first approach? Boston hits homeruns, but do you notice their approach? It is different than the Whitesox. All good and winning teams will be tops in homeruns, but it's when they are hit and how crucial of a situation it is? It's called being a smart team!

Did or did not all of those world series champions string hits together or were they homerun first approach? Boston hits homeruns, but do you notice their approach? It is different than the Whitesox. All good and winning teams will be tops in homeruns, but it's when they are hit and how crucial of a situation it is? It's called being a smart team!

The Angels are in a bad bad division!! Imagine if the RedSox were in that division, they would win like 120 games. That division hasn't been good for awhile since Oakland was good in 06. The Angels are also a different team in the playoffs like there is a curse on them with Boston. We just need to get a couple fundamentally sound players and it will rub off on the rest of the team like it did in 2005. The pitching was great that year, but down the stretch they struggled while the offense did too! When they got into the playoffs you noticed how the offense with their approach could score runs and that relaxed the pitchers. Game 1 of ALDS, Game 2 down 3-0 came back, against the Angels Konerko's 3 and 2 run taters, etc. etc. Yeah they were still hitting a crap load of homers, but there was this confidence between the offense and pitching. The Sox don't have that now and need to get that mentality back. People sometimes don't realize that our offense has a lot to do with our pitcher's mentality. If we can't score runs, then the pitcher is like don't hit a homer, don't hit a homer. Then BOOM, HOMERUN! All I am saying is get some guys here that will play small ball (bunt, get a guy over by sacrifice) then Quentin will be back our RBI machine! Dye will see better pitches, Thome can hit maybe 6th in the lineup for some left handed pop. Get a 1-2 deadly combo that will drive pitcher's crazy.

So Kenny wanted Torii, he wanted Miggy Cabrera, and Renteria. So let's say he got these players along with Quentin and Ramirez. What do you think this lineup would of been able to do? ALDS? ALCS? World Series? Renteria Pierzynski Quentin M. Cabrera Dye Hunter Thome Konerko Ramirez

Yeah in May he was hitting and some in August..OC WILL NOT BE IN MINNESOTA! QUOTE ME ON THIS.. They are not going to spend what he wants even with their new ballpark in 2010.

I mean look at what the last 6 world series champions have in common? 2001 Diamondbacks small ball, 2002 Angels small ball, 2003 Marlins small ball, 2004 Red Sox small ball, 2005 WhiteSox small ball, 2006 Cardinals same 2007 RedSox same Does Kenny and Jerry understand this? It works, why change it? I almost start thinking sometimes it's about money..What draws more fans?? Homeruns so kids can try to catch a ball

Yeah but Swisher or Konerko at this point? Konerko is going to have more trade value and we will get more in a return. It will probably be a 1 for 1 like Garland and Cabrera. Konerko is on a decline plus he is older. His slumps are becoming longer and longer. He is also the slowest person on the team. I have faith in dirty 30 because I think it was just a bad year for him. He has the right attitude and I just like the fact that he does take pitches. (even though a lot are strikes), but I'm tired of people on this board doubting him. If he hits .300 with 35 and 120 next year, everyone will be like I wanted Swisher all along and he is the best. Sometimes you got to look at the intangibles, like what Carl Everett did in 2005. Great Clubhouse Guy, but couldn't hit crap in 2005!! This team just has to get away from the longball first mentality. It didn't work from 2001-2004 with the homerun hitters we had. And it sure as hell doesn't work now! I mean I don't want to talk about the Twins, but did you see how many full counts they work on a pitcher? The Sox need guys to work counts, get back into a fast, running, pitching, and defensive team! It just ticks me off when I see this homerun first mentality that we all know for every major league team, doesn't work. And I don't want to be a downer here, but in those 3 elimination games are offense still was not good. All the wild pitches by Detroit that started the comeback, lack of execution in all three games, hangers right over the plate and us fouling them off..We got lucky that are pitchers pitched so well..but our offense really sucks! Kenny Please all I want for Christmas is to change the dimension of this team and cry small ball!!

Well I want this guy GONE! And he will be.. He talks and talks and talks, but can't back up s**t! Great he gets hits with no one on base, but over the last month he hasn't been able to drive in a runner in scoring position. He is a cocky player who thinks his s**t doesn't stink and overrated! His defense has sucked this year, his throws are like lobs to first, and is a rally killer like the majority of this team! If he's going to talk and try to pump his team up he has got to get people to buy into him. But how can you buy into someone that goes come on guys let's get some hits and drive some passion, but then ends up striking out for the third out or grounding out with a runner on third. He Stinks!