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QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 02:24 PM) We've had a huge payroll the past few seasons. Don't start acting like Cubs fans where they complain about their payroll even though it's near the top of the entire league. Who are the Cubs and who are Cubs fans? I've never heard of them before...I only pay attention to one team and that is my Whitesox. Sorry! And I thought this was Soxtalk?

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 02:18 PM) You know I'm not satisfied with how this offseason is shaping up, as you and I get more pissed off at KW's whining about not having $1 to spend than anyone else. Jerry please all I want for Christmas is for you to sell the Whitesox!! I am tired of seeing you eat up all the revenue and giving Kenny 0 to spend. Please Please Please! Put somebody who actually wants a team from the third largest city in the US and is willing to treat it that way. Spend money win championships! I really feel sorry for Kenny sometimes, it is not his fault!

Breaking news Steinbrenner declares bankruptcy!

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 02:09 PM) Either Nix or Lillbridge'll make the team too. How do you know that?

This team needs a makeover yes I agree. But we need some added veterans to go with these young guys. That's what made last year sweet. Quentin was a young guy added with really no proven eye catching stats and Kenny went and got a guy like Cabrera who had eye catching stats. Now Danks had an AWFUL 2007 season with us and so did Floyd in 2007. They bounced back rather nicely in 2008, but who guessed that after seeing what we saw in 2008?

QUOTE (heirdog @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 02:03 PM) Wait, I'm confused. Didn't we get Danks and Floyd in 2007? Didn't we get CQ and Ramirez in 2008? I think these moves had a significant impact on our 2008 success moreso than the guys you named above. Maybe, you and I have different definitions of "significant" moves. What I mean is significant for that season only. Yes rookies will help us down the road, but they are unproven. Nobody can tell what they do at the major league level until they have played at major league level..

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 09:53 AM) His crazy move will be not doing any more moves for the rest of the offseason. And if that's the case then my prediction is I go to 0 games next season! That would be a bad bad idea for this organization.. They go on to lose 100 games. Look at the past 5 seasons when Kenny has made serious moves: 2003 Bartolo Colon 2nd place, made a run until late september 2004 No real eye catching moves, finished basically last2005 Dye, AJ, Podsednik, Vizcaino, El Duque, World Series 2006 Thome, Vazquez 90 wins 2007 No moves (unless you count Erstad) finished basically last 2008 Dotel, Linebrink, Swisher, Cabrera won division So Kenny has to do something this off-season. The last 2 times he sat back we failed miserably! I am not going to go through that bulls**t again.

Yes I would! CQ had one good season and Hanley has had more good seasons! I would do it hands down!

Ohhhhhhhh yeah! It's like every Mets pitcher drops off...Pedro Martinez and Billy Wagner are prime examples! They pay all this money to watch these players underperform or witness their arms falling off!

You think he'll start for them? Or be a closer?

Offer to ex-Cubs fireballer includes option for third season... I am going to guess he pitches 15-20 innings next season, that's it.

I am going to guess and say he will be a BUST! They always are with the Mets!!

I'm going to say he signs with the Tigers...The last few years they have thrown lots of money at guys and they are in need of a shortstop..

Ok I am going to back up the majority of this site by saying anyone who thinks JD is trash or won't be missed should just move their interests to the North Side. This totally sounds like something a Cubs fan would say about a player because they barely understand the game. Jermaine has always been a class act and has demonstrated to the organization and the game of baseball that it doesn't take steroids to be a consistent player. I am totally indifferent about the trade because yes I love Dye, but if it brings us something back then I'll be ok. But that is a big IF? Nobody knows exactly what Kenny's plan is and I am starting to get this bad feeling that Jerry is going to be rather cheap this year. If we trade Jermaine and obtain Homer..then go off and trade Jenks for some young unproven guy, the 2009 season will be a disaster. This meaning we don't go out and sign any veteran guys. In 2005 we traded and let guys go obtaining decent salaries to obtain replacements in the veteran category with AJ and Dye. The part that kills me is that I would rather see almost anyone else traded on the team besides Jermaine. Konerko is the first one that comes to mind. I just pray and hope with whatever happens that we obtain a couple of guys to really help this club. If not I will not be attending 0 games next season!

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 09:34 AM) Highlights from the interview We can compete, once again, this year We are looking into the future, and try to win the same years we make trades Javy threw well all year long. He gave us innings and win, but was disappointing at the end. I did not expect him to be gone. Right now, we got Getz, Lillibridge, Fields and Betemit (no mention of Nix). No one has a shot for sure, we are leaning towards a couple guys. We have good team depth. These guys impressed a lot of people. Right now, it’s Konerko, Getz, Fields Ramirez Last year was the hardest year as a manager. Says he wouldn't have a choice, but to live with O-Cab. He played real well, out of position in lineup, we'd win with 'em The money sitiuation is a big factor. Ozzie would love to have a CC, but it's not realistic given the financial market, and the way the lineup is shaping up. CC is not on the wishlist Garland would be welcomed back. Swisher trade was for right now and the future. Swish did a good job, hitting out of position. The body language was a huge factor by the end of the year. We didn't get rid of him for that, we needed more people to help the ballclub. "if you're happy when you're not playing you're a loser" We're gambling, and in the past we've been pretty good at it. Our pitching staff is going to be better. Speed is not just in the bases, it's in the field. We need a good leadoff hitter. Joe (Crede) was great with me. Dayan Vicideo "if the kid plays half better then Ramirez, i'd take him any minute." the talent is there, knows how to play baseball, hopefully be good enough to help quickly at the Major League level" "i feel like the manager from Cuba!" I loved the whole good leadoff hitter part. I think it is pretty clear what Kenny is doing with these trades to free up salary. I just wish I knew who it was!

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 24, 2008 -> 10:30 AM) Yes we have Getz and Nix, Nix will probably be our AAA 2B this season and Getz would be a better fit in Ozunas role as MI sub. There is no reason to rush Beckham and if he is ready mid-summer you can always spin Iwamura again for whatever need you have at the time. Jackson is relished for the same reasons as Daniel Cabrera, everyone thinks if you go out and get a guy who throws hard you can tame him down and teach him control, but he is who he is, effectively wild at times but walks too many people. He would be our best K pitcher, but I am not sold on him at all. Our rotation is in good shape at the moment with MB, Danks, Floyd, Javy, Count*/Marquez/Richard/Poreda. Great point..Jackson is way too wild and we saw also what happened with Sisco and McDougall. I'll take a pass. I would like to see if there was a trade obtaining that Fernado Perez kid..I kind of have that weird feeling that somehow someway Carl Crawford will come here. It always seems the guys Kenny wants he gets them 2-3 years past the time he was rumored to try to acquire them. Griffey and Erstad are examples of that happening.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 07:17 PM) Now Mike MacDougal is a waste of a couple of million that could be used elsewhere. To say bringing in someone like Colon, Garcia or Pedro as the fifth starter is a waste of money...well...it's far from clear that the White Sox even view Poreda as a starter for 2009, and it's far from clear that Richard can consistently get through opposing line-ups the 2nd and 3rd time around. Yeah, we're not going to bring in Varitek as a back-up or even platoon, and it's also far from clear that we've just given the job to Cole Armstrong already. We don't know what KW's thinking, but I doubt it's whether Eric Hinske would be better than Anderson/Wise/Owens. The reason the Twins scare other teams is because of that dome...mostly. Before, it was Liriano/Santana and then Nathan...that could be intimidating. I don't think Jerry Owens will ever intimidate anyone like Pods did the first 3-4 months of 2005. Taveras? Closer. But Punto diving into 1B when he's out on a routine grounder to SS by 15 feet? Well, that's just kind of silly grinderism. Pablo Ozuna brought much of the same to Sox, by the way. The Twins have won 4/7 division championships, the White Sox 3/9 and a World Series. Why should we be copying them, exactly? Especially since they are moving into a new facility and it's unclear how that will translate...they certainly were a horrible to average road team last year. Finally, if we should emulate anything, it's the Twins' success in incubating Scott Baker, Liriano, Perkins, Blackburn and Slowey within the last couple of seasons. We really haven't been able to get one legit starter to the big leagues since Buehrle/Garland/Wells. O.k. Let's look at the seasons for in depth then. Since 2001 The Twins lead the Sox in overall win totals 707-683..Those 24 wins account largely on the way the Twins continously have the Sox number. So why we do we want to be like the Twins. It is because they beat us with the little things. Yes we beat them last year, but come on the coin flip was bogus and they beat us in the head to head series. Let's rewind the season with additions like Eric Hinske and Varitek. What would they have done? NOTHING! We had a future hall of famer on the team, a consistent starter with the A's hit .219 and was benched, slumping power hitters who only swing for the fences, our best player gets hurt, etc. etc. When we acquired Swisher and Griffey everyone on here was like yep they are going to be the difference makers, but what happened again? Now you all are like man they were not meant to be on this team, there was no place for them to play...Now Colon and Garcia are wastes. You know that! Colon is a cocky overweight pitcher who can't pitch anymore..Plain and simple, he's done! He wasn't even in the bullpen for the playoffs. Garcia pitched well against us because if you remember at that time we weren't scoring a hell of a lot of runs or putting together hits. What I am saying is this team needs to obtain some speed and situational hitters. I think Betemit is a start! Also for you to say someone sliding into first base 15 feet away is silly, that's like saying someone hustling to first base when they are clearly out is silly. Ur right we don't know what Kenny is thinking, but right after they lost the series to the Rays, Kenny in an interview said we need to get some more speed on this team. I am just quoting Kenny that's all.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 10:36 AM) This post made me lol. I don't know what to say. I'll tell you what to say...I'm going to have another krispy kreme and go back to work. The carts are getting full in the lot.

Seriously why do people have to be a**es on here sometimes. So what if it was posted before!

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 04:27 PM) You had Varitek and Pierzynski in the same lineup also. If you read correctly, it says team...not lineup That's the importance of reading thoroughly

And everyone PLEASE stop referring to stats all the time as your reference. Stats don't mean s**t! Pods had a very low OBP when he came here the year before? What did he do again in 2005 for this team?

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 04:04 PM) Who is saying that? Hinske would be an acceptable bench player, not more. Varitek would be a good platoon for AJ, but at the cost most posters here agree hes too much money and probably wants to start still. Right now, Fields and Getz are a couple of the best options for their respective positions, adding youth and speed like what you claim to want. Colon is still a big if, Garcia the same. Pedro is right there with them. One may be signed as a 5th starter but the Sox I dont believe give out incentive laden deals very often. And where's Floyd in the rotation? You want speed? you want youth? Were are you going to get it from? At what cost? What other abilities will that/those player(s) have? Sure we can assemble a team on youth, get the Nook Logans, the Wily Taveras, the Corey Pattersons, Joey Gathrights, we can get a team of that. It wont be good, but we can could potentially get that. We could become the fastest team, and be awful, or we could strive to become balanced, have a couple big boppers, some high OBP guys, a little speed here or there or just guys who can score from second on singles and doubles. We need line drive hitters, not just pull and lift, but its nice to have that feared hitter too. You need balance, which means that yes we should add some speed, but not to the point where its going to make the team worse. Dont acquire speed just because, acquire it along with line drive hitters, high OBP to utilize the speed. Seriously instead of investing so much time into this post, invest it into some common sense..Number one why does ANYONE want these players on this team. They make no sense anywhere near this team. Eric Hinske vs. Brian Anderson? Jason Varitek vs. Cole? Pedro Martinez vs. Clayton Richard or Poreda. It is a waste of a couple million dollars that could be used elsewhere. Speed does not slump!!! If you throw guys like Jerry Owens, Wily Taveras, Chone Figgins, etc. etc. into speed roles, they will use speed to create opportunities. Winning in baseball involves role players. If Owens job is to bunt to create an opportunity, then let him bunt 100 times next year to get into a pitcher's head that he is hard to get out. Look what makes the Twins so damn successful. Everyone hates them because guys like Gomez and Span will bunt to just create opportunities. What I am saying is instead of talking about backup guys that we already get enough of on this team should be swapped for guys like Nick Punto, what about him? Howie Kendrick, what about him? Damn I'll even go out on a limb here and say Felix Pie as a back-up..Kenny knows he needs someone to put some fear into opposing pitchers!

What is this??? Seriously this is a waste of a post! So if Kenny went with the posts people made are team would look like this Hinske Ramirez Quentin Thome Dye Konerko Varitek Pierzynski Getz Fields Colon Garcia Buehrle P. Martinez Danks etc. etc. We NEED SPEED!!! YOUTH!!

I say sign Olivo 100 billion percent!! When he was with the Sox I always said, man he would be a great backup..and man does he have an arm...Can you imagine late in the game..tie game..with a guy who can throw someone out trying to steal..or at least put pressure on an opponent!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 30, 2008 -> 05:07 PM) Because Griffey was battling a knee injury that likely took away some of his power. He was also a great presence in the clubhouse and those years of experience do come in handy. Essentially, he'd be brought in as an insurance policy while hopefully getting 300 PAs off the bench, which would be the best case scenario. If you ask for .260 25 .800, I really don't think you are asking too much of him...the only thing that's necessary is having someone on the bench who can hit LHP, because Griffey's pretty much hopeless against lefties. I'm still not going to rule out Griffey being the starting RFer for the White Sox next season either, though some crazy moves would have to be made for something like that to work out, as in bringing in a good 3B and 2B/SS/CF. Griffey is pushing 40! Are you serious?? When guys that age have knee or any other problems it hinders them from playing to their full potential moving forward! It doesn't heal easy anymore and will severely limit his playing time next year because of his age..And comparing this to the 1999 world series team is ridiculous! Griffey is basically done and has no place on this team...His numbers are declining and the money should be spent somewhere else. He also doesn't deserve to be on the bench with the career he has had...Come on guys!!