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If you can’t understand Hahn’s major role in this disaster at this point I don’t think anyone can help you.

As in dies? Or moves on from the org? If Jerry sells to Stewart and Tony is still around I'd bet Tony stays in the org and works with Stewart.

Yup, and TLR probably sticks around after Reinsdorf sells, and there's no way they don't stick their noses in everywhere.

Tigers sure could've used one more reliable starter in the postseason.

Glad you're alright, @The Mighty Mite. We're right outside Jacksonville and luckily haven't had much hurricane damage since we moved here from Old Town in 2022. Worst was our trampoline netting getting destroyed from 100 mph wind gusts during Helene. Milton was about 3 inches of rain and nothing else, though low-lying areas near the St. Johns river and the Atlantic coast had flooding. Second the flood zone note. Glad we paid attention to that when deciding on our home. Below sea level, within a couple miles of the Gulf or Atlantic, or near any larger bodies of water are a no-go.

Yes, I understand that. I'm saying what they should do, and what I hope they do. If they trade him for basically nothing because they have to lower payroll to Oakland levels, then I can't imagine why anyone would want to follow this team.

For sure. Robert isn't worth much right now compared to what he would be worth with a bounceback season, which is why they'd better not trade him unless they can somehow get a solid depth package. Which I doubt, both because of Robert's season and Getz.

Same. Also that play that ended in an interception against the Texans (I think). Everything before that throw was mind-blowing

I think people are assuming some of Holliday's star has worn off due to his shift to 2B and his poor performance in the majors this year. I think that could be true if this was Dombrowski, but I highly, HIGHLY doubt the Orioles are going to trade him, unless they're completely out on him. I don't think they trade anyone but marginal prospects for 1 year or "B" level players.

So many times this year I've been like "oh he's in big trouble... wait what? how?!"

I don't think Getz is a good talent evaluator, but Thorpe was their 5th best (and top 100) prospect, plus won minor league pitcher of the year. He was a solid headliner, especially given no one apparently trades top end hitting prospects anymore. The rest of that package stinks so far, I'll give you that.

That's why I don't want to trade him, because no one is going to pay what the Sox need to help turn this thing around. They're better off hoping he rebounds this year.

That was 5 years ago. Robert did it last year. Way more likely Robert bounces back than Moncada.

5 bWAR/4.9 fWAR in 2023. I'll take the "+" off if it makes you happy. If the Sox think Robert has no chance to get back to a 3+ WAR player, then they should trade him now. If they think Crochet was a 1 year wonder and is likely to get hurt again, or never make it as a SP long-term, then they should trade him now. If Robert turns it around and Crochet continues to be a top flight starter next year, then Getz should be fired immediately because he sold incredibly low on the only two good assets he has remaining. Jackson Holliday was TERRIBLE in 100+ PAs this year. He'll probably be fine, but that doubt is there now. If you trade your top two remaining assets for him and he's not a franchise player, then the rebuild is pushed back even further. That said, I would 100% trade Crochet for him. Robert is not enough right now, I agree there.

I’m not sure this works even if he ends up a good player. Trading a top tier pitcher and a guy who has put up a 5+ WAR season and isn’t old for one guy is madness.

Cease looking like the guy who frustrated us. Pulled after 3 1/3 at over 80 pitches.

Exactly. If Holliday ends up bad or mediocre you end up with nothing. All your hopes are riding on him. Terrible trade.

Mets have been something else this year.

Eloy: "Hit the ball on the ground and use my speed to leg out infield hits"

We all told Orioles fans to be careful assuming they were at the top of the AL in the offseason. I wonder how they feel now, after they won 10 less games than last year and got swept in the WC round by a team that lost 106 games last year.

NOBLETIGER for the Orioles

If they're really going to bring in quality hitting instruction, actually give these guys an offseason plan, and make sure they stick to it, then I'm fine keeping Vaughn for one more year. He was a consensus top 5 draft pick that year I believe, so it's worth giving him a real shot with proper help after they epically bungled his growth plan. If they're not going to do these things, and just count on him fixing himself, they might as well let him go. Also if they determine he's just ruined or a bust, then they might as well let him go. Either way, what a disappointment he's been and I don't particularly care if he stays.

It's worth a shot, thanks to their idiot owner. Not sure if they'd have any use for Benintendi, though.

Tigers escape with a win. Astros had runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out after scoring a run, but couldn't capitalize.

Astros making a push in the 9th