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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 6, 2010 -> 06:29 PM) Jay Mariotti came out publicly on Around the Horn and said he didn't vote for Alomar on the first ballot because "no one belongs on the first ballot" or some spewing bulls***, and I'm pretty sure he didn't vote for Blyleven because he said something like "if it's been this long then he obviously doesn't deserve it." I hope that man is sterilized. I'm not defending Mariotti, but on the Blyleven thing...it's interesting where he was in the voting early in his eligibility: 1998- 17.5% 1999- 14.1% 2000- 17.4% 2001- 23.5% It wasn't until his 5th year when he got over 25% of the votes. It's an obvious sign that the criteria to get in the Hall has loosened over the years. I think in this new era, you can just look at his 287 wins and 3700 K's and automatically say YES, but if you did a little deeper, you could say he falls just short of Hall status. They say it's the top 1% of players that get in the Hall. I think we're getting to the point where it's the top 1.5-2%, and I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. We all know who are all-time greats even with the current guys in the Hall. If more players are recognized, I don't have a huge problem with that. I mean, we're coming off an era of baseball that just s*** all over the record book. The Hall of Fame is almost becoming irrelevant anyway.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 6, 2010 -> 06:11 PM) The Segui/Karros/Hentgen type votes are from the people who dont want the Alomars and Blylevens in the hall of fame. They are excuse picks. Is there full disclosure about who votes for who? If there isnt and this is entirely secretive, then it should be exposed, because these hacks need to have their vendettas and politics thrown back in their faces. One doesn't have to do with the other. Voters can vote up to 10 players, I believe. If they aren't allowed to vote for Segui, Karros, Ventura, etc., then why were they put on the ballot in the first place? I'm not saying the process and who votes is perfect, because it's not. But the guys that get one or a handful of votes, I really don't think it's a big deal. They get a little nod from a friend, and then they're off the ballot next year. No big deal.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jan 6, 2010 -> 03:23 PM) Heard on the radio that spitting in an umps face is in fact the very reason that he didn't make it on the first ballot. Eh... I don't know if he actually did it on purpose though. Oh well... he'll get in next year won't he? Blyleven and Alomar are locks next year unless Alomar shows up on a list. And no, I don't think he juiced.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jan 6, 2010 -> 02:38 PM) How does Tim Raines only get 30% of the vote? That is even more ridiculous than Alomar not getting in on the 1st ballot. I like Raines, don't get me wrong. But here's my problem with him: He had a great career for about 7 years (1981-1987), then he was just kinda there for the rest of his career. Not really close to being one of the best players in baseball after that. I just don't think the flame was lit long enough. If he extended that greatness for about 3-4 more years, he would be more of a slam dunk.

QUOTE (earthshiner @ Jan 6, 2010 -> 01:44 PM) Its sad to see the HOF turn more into a joke each year. Its turning into the Hall of Really Good I agree with that, but I'll also say it's becoming harder and harder to decide who belongs. And next year, they'll have Jeff Bagwell, Larry Walker, and Rafael Palmeiro. All of which probably have the numbers, but I don't trust at all. Obviously Palmeiro was busted, but the other two I don't think were clean, but it'll never be proven.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 2, 2010 -> 10:44 PM) Good for Gavin. If I had to guess, I'd think Danks might have been invited. He may have been invited, but I doubt he was there since he was on White Sox Weekly with Rongey tonight.

QUOTE (striker @ Jan 2, 2010 -> 06:01 PM) I bet they feel out Flowers in spring training and if he does well he could split time with DH/Pierzynski. It's possible, but they'll have to bring in a catcher or two for spring training, even if it's just non-roster invitees. I like the idea of Flowers playing everyday in Charlotte for at least a couple months. Get the ABs, work on his swing, and work on the defensive game.

I think they'll sign a catcher. If they get another bat, it'll be in early February.

QUOTE (jphat007 @ Dec 30, 2009 -> 11:35 AM) If we go in with the offense we have right now, it is very likely that we won't be in it on July 31. It's a possibility of course, all these guys could have career years, but it isn't very likely. We have a very very bad offense right now. I don't think the offense is as bad as some think. Of course Quentin and Rios have to perform in order for the Sox offense to be effective, but I'm not going to worry about it. Quentin should be healthy going into the season, and Rios will come back to his career averages. That's my hope at least. And a full year of Beckham should be helpful. I see an All Star appearance for Gordon in 2010.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 30, 2009 -> 11:17 AM) My major concern with Vlad is that he can't move anymore. If you think Kotsay's knees are bad, i'd bet anything that Vlads' are in shreds. Yeah, we don't want Vlad..or at least I don't. He's declining at an alarming rate. He can't play the field. He can't run. It would be worse than just signing Thome, and I don't want that either. I'm almost beginning to think the right thing to do is just stand pat and see what develops in the first half with Jones and Kotsay getting the AB's. Then make a move or two before July 31. Whatever move that needs to be--starting pitcher, bullpen, another hitter.

I'd be surprised if it was hard core street drugs. I'm going with anorexia with a combination of alcohol and prescription drugs.

I'm giving up any hope of getting Gonzalez before opening day. It's not going to happen. I think they'll pick up a backup catcher, and invite a few LHPs to spring training. Otherwise, I think they're done making moves.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releases/pre...sp&c_id=det http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dolsifr01.shtml Dolsi has been added to the 40-man roster.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 12:56 PM) Your point being I hope the Big 4 get 32-33 starts each, and Garcia gets 30 starts at the most. If he gets 15 wins, it probably means the Sox go 19-11 in his starts. 8 over .500 for the 5th starter? Yes, please.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 12:52 PM) Mark I really thjink you are worrying to much. It's expereince versus youth. Hudson can learn this year and unless he gets traded as so many of our prospects do than he will most likely be starting in 2011. I really believe Garcia is good for 12-15 wins as the #5 starter 12 would be a stretch. 15 would mean the Sox ran away with the division.

Trade finalized. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press...sp&c_id=cws

Freddy will be a solid 5th starter. If he gets 30 starts, I think the Sox can go 15-15, and that's all you really want from that spot. Hudson can probably start the year in Charlotte to get some innings, and then if the bullpen or rotation needs an arm, you can bring him up in May or June.

Two more NRI's: Greg Aquino, RHP http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/aquingr01.shtml Erick Threets, LHP http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/threeer01.shtml Threets had a decent AAA season in Albuquerque.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 12:47 PM) That 2nd version looks impressive. That's why they need to get another bat. Even if it isn't Gonzalez, they need to get another run producer. Jones and Kotsay aren't going to cut it. I think Kenny knows this, though.

I don't like Ramirez batting 2nd, especially at the beginning of the season. He's been awful in April/beginning of May so far in his career. He should bat 9th to start the season and then they can adjust based on who's hitting well. It's a lineup that can change a lot based on who is hot.

Pierre Beckham Quentin Konerko Pierzynski Rios Jones/Kotsay Teahen Ramirez I agree with daa84, except I'd replace Thome with someone under 35.

QUOTE (supernuke @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 09:58 PM) For some reason I get the feeling the KW was set on getting Bradley and Ozzie doesn't want him on the team. The way the Sox are constructed, he'd actually fit in the lineup right now. It's tempting. It would make things interesting, that's for sure.

Jason Botts will be a non-roster invitee.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 04:22 PM) I wonder why people haven't talked about Flowers possibly being the DH? He could rotate with AJ behind the plate and get a decent amount of ABs in the DH hole. Sounds like a nice transition to me. Just go out and sign a DH next year. . . I really think Flowers will get at least a half year in Charlotte. There are plenty of backup catchers out there right now.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 02:38 PM) The decade starts at 2001 and ends with 2010, btw. That makes no sense, and I don't want to hear how this goes back to year 1 A.D., or whatever. In baseball, when you talk about decades, it's the 3rd digit of the year. 1970's were 1970-1979. 1980's were 1980-1989, and so on. I would never say my favorite White Sox team of the 1980's was 1990. I mean, come on. Get real.