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QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Sep 11, 2014 -> 10:59 AM) http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/paul-george-ray-rice-twitter Paul George defends Ray Rice in a series of ill-advised tweets This is the same guy who supposedly wanted to pay a stripper $1 million to get an abortion.

I just want to see Detroit not make the playoffs. Go Seattle and Oakland!

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 04:51 PM) It isn't Skype...it's not any one app...it's the sheer volume and turnover of them...you do this on any kind of regular basis and all the sudden you've got 400 apps on all your devices...then you've got to go through and pare them down, delete them, etc. I ain't got time or the patience for that s***. You might a well go use a feature phone then. All of you sound like you're perfectly content with a phone that has 10 pre-installed apps and that's it. That's not the point of a smartphone.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 04:49 PM) I didn't say that...I was implying that your opinion as to ease of use isn't necessarily the most objective, since this is your profession. Do you think guys in your position liked Windows or DOS/Linux? iPhones or Android? Now which did/does the general public seem to prefer? The original discussion was about installing applications on phones and how that was too cumbersome and difficult for people. Hence what I said.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 04:47 PM) We use your email client (Lotus Notes) and yes, it's terrible, but even that's preconfigured upon a new laptop/desktiop. Launch the app, and it asks you to create a password. That's it. That's all the user has to configure. And if they run into something they need further help with, we don't tell them to Google it. Someone actually calls them, or goes to them and helps them configure it. Sure, that is. But if you want WiFi on your laptop, you have to go through an entire process to get it. A good amount of the stuff is preconfigured because it makes sense to do it, but not everything is. I'm surprised other companies actually support Lotus Notes. Christ I feel bad for them.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 04:46 PM) Still on lotus I take it? Yup, it's a piece of crap. It was worse before they released the 9th version, at least it looks a bit more modern now. But it's built off of Eclipse, so performance is god awful. And to think IBM spent money acquiring them...

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 04:45 PM) That's not at all what anyones saying. It's not their job to install apps, it's their job to do whatever we hired them to do...and that's all they should need to do. Why? Because THAT is their job. Their job is NOT to configure applications and troubleshoot them. Somebody else gets paid to do that. But that's what the original discussion was. This all started because you thought installing Skype on a phone was too hard and bothersome for the majority of people.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 04:43 PM) That means you're behind the times, but that's not surprising considering it's IBM. You should see how bad our email client is.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 04:42 PM) That is exactly the point. Most people are not engineers who work in software development. Why would a company want to mass produce something that appeals primarily to the expert in the marketplace? Oh, now we have to be experts to install apps. Listen to yourselves. Might as well abolish the app store for anyone not in IT or over 50. No point right?

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 04:40 PM) No, there isn't. I work for a big company, and EVERYTHING on a laptop/desktop is PREconfigured for the user through AD. They do NOTHING. They don't even have access to install anything or change most any configuration option. Not the case at IBM and we're the second largest company in the world. But there's a guide to do almost everything, so it's not that hard.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 04:26 PM) And YOU shouldn't find installing apps hard. YOU aren't the person/people that require help for every little thing, either, and people of all ages require tech support on a CONSTANT basis for everything, from phones to pc's to mac's. If everything you're saying was true (and it's clearly not), tech support wouldn't be as big of a business as it is, and a tech support crew wouldn't exist in every big company in the world, either. Engineers in tech and software development tend to not need much tech support. But you make up about 5% of what most large companies are. The sales people, marketers, executives, etc...none of them care to know how something works, none of them want to install anything, and none of them want to configure anything. THAT'S WHAT THE f*** THEY PAY OTHER PEOPLE FOR. Oh but they have to anyhow. When they get their work laptops, they have to configure something. There's a documented process to get everything in most big companies. So whether they like it or not, they'll have to do it. Follow some directions, read it for 2-3 minutes. My parents ask me how to do stuff related to tech from time to time. You know what I tell them? Here's a guide how to do it, read it. If you continue to give people tech support of some of the simplest things in the world, they'll never learn. Don't know something? Ask Google. You're probably just lazy if you can't even do that much.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 03:15 PM) No...your priorities change in life. Other things become important. I'm incredibly tech savy for a non tech individual but at the same time, a lot of this stuff in the grand scheme of what I'm responsible for and what is important is low on my priority list. What I want is a freaking device that does want I want and makes it easy and simple to do what I want. I don't want to have to do a bunch of steps and make other people do a bunch of steps for it to work (easy or not...I'm not wasting my time with that crap). PS: Out of all the people I know my age, I am probably the smartest at using smart phones and I spend the least time customizing them or doing anything with them. You are talking like a college kid who doesn't have a job and has all the time in the world to tinker with crap. When you get older, you don't have as much time to do that, unless that happens to be important / your thing to do (which is fine, it just isn't mine). No I sound like a person who's an engineer and works in software development. We don't find installing apps hard, people I work with don't find it hard, my friends don't find it hard. My mom might, but she doesn't even have a smartphone. You guys are trying to make something that is such a small issue sound like it's a big issue. It's not.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) Installing an app isn't usually the problem, it's configuring it, signing up for it...not using a password of abc123, etc. The 20 somethings that grew up with technology that "works", are probably the worst of anyone I have to support. They all think they know what they're doing...and none of them actually know what they're doing. They're not as bad as the baby boomers, though. Now you're just expanding this discussion. I thought it was about how hard it was to install an app and sign up...? Not security.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 04:01 PM) Goodell is cooked That's what they get for trying to cover everything up.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:53 PM) Actually a lot of your age group knows less than you think. They're the bulk of the people I have to support on a daily basis. I haven't had a single person in my age group ask me how to install an app. Never.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:43 PM) It's an exaggeration, but it applies to what you're saying. None of those things are hard to do. But yet and still NOBODY wants to do them. You're thinking like a tech person, not a regular joe that simply doesn't care. Half the people I know don't even know you can delete apps off of your phone after you install them. I'll even get calls that "my icons are all shaking for some reason". Don't think like a tech. Yes, I know you and I can do all of these things, and have done them...the other day in a fantasy league my wife wanted to use Skype so she could chat during the online draft...gave up after 2 minutes of trying to download an install it, the mic wasn't working, this wasn't working, etc. I had to go up there and do it all for her...she tried, but then said you know what, f*** this it's too complicated, I can do without. No, I'm thinking like a person in their 20s. I grew up with technology, as did most of the people in my age group. We are a large portion of the user base. We understand how to do simple stuff like that. And it is what it is, it's SIMPLE. It's not hard and it's not supposed to be. You're trying to make this about people who didn't grow up with technology, which I don't think should be the case.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:40 PM) If it was so great, why didn't the majority of users use it for anything other than another IM client? Only the techiest of techies used it for video chat or audio chats...you know who uses Facetime? Everybody. Even 80 year olds. Because it was an IM client first? Just like Hangouts still is. Still, please elaborate for why it was so bad. I'd like to know.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:36 PM) I disagree. I think both are very simple tasks, because they are. But having to download an App, install the app, create a login/password for the app, login to the app successfully, figure out how to add people to the app, and then notify them that they ALSO need to do all of those things are a number of steps that a LOT of people just don't want to perform. Are they all easy steps? Yes. And so is changing a cars oil. Does installing an app require you to go to the store to buy oil and tools, get under your car to drain the oil, etc? That sounds a lot harder than clicking buttons 3-4 times and typing in your email and password. Come on man...

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:37 PM) And it was absolute s*** until Hangouts came around. Care to elaborate?

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:35 PM) Right, but that's my point about Android stuffing half assed features into the OS just for the sake of being able to say, "We can already do that!" Android had the ability to do video chats for years, but it took them until 2014 to finally bring Hangouts to a place where people would actually use it on a mass scale. Hangouts is good, I even have it on my iPhone, but everything Hangouts does, Android kinda/sorta did in a convoluted, complicated and very crappy way for years now... Google Talk's been on Android for a long time and I believe that did video chat for a long time. That was also a default app.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:32 PM) That's like saying if you can't change the oil in a car you shouldn't drive one. While *I* can change the oil...I don't expect most other people want too, nor would they care too learn, either. Smartphones should be ... smart enough that for basic functionality, such as making a phone call, or performing a video chat, you don't have to know anything...it just does it. Installing an app on your phone is nothing like changing your car's oil. Seriously, you're trying to over-exaggerate this. I hope you realize how silly your comparison sounds.

Madden literally has 2 modes (CFM and MUT) and IGN loved it. I wouldn't worry about the lack of modes if the game is good.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:21 PM) It's the requirements of having to do all that...when it really shouldn't be (and isn't necessary for the most part). Then you also have to deal with Microsoft's shenanigans, which they can't get away with right now, but the second Microsoft took control of the mobile space, trust me, Skype would disappear from iOS and Android tomorrow, and MS would be like, well...you can buy a Windows Mobile device! This should be base functionality in any mobile OS stuck on a phone with a forward facing camera (all of them these days), and it should be as easy to use as Facetime...and granted, Hangouts is easy NOW, but damn it took years to get there. All a moot point now since there's Hangouts...

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:23 PM) Why should I have to do all of those things when it is so easy on an apple device. I don't want things that take time and mean everyone has that app on there phone. Personally I hate having a million apps, I want a select few and only ones that I use and use regularly. That way when I go to click something, I know where it is cause it is actually used. I don't want to scroll through 8 pages to find the watch espn app or check my fantasy football lineup. Facetime and the ease of it is fantastic and it blows me away that the android phones don't have a similar set-up used. Since my S4 busted and I've gone back to Apple, other then the fact that I'm using an old Iphone and am on 3g (which sucks), I have re-remembered how much smoother all of the interfaces work...how much better the email function is on apple vs. google (which is hilarious since gmail on the web is phenomenal but the standard email app on android devices sucks). Bottom line, since under most circumstances, when you buy these products new, they are the same price, I really believe the apple version is less buggy and far more refined. Sure it might not have a few of the bells and whistles of an android but what it has will work and work smooth and be functional. You made the mistake of buying a Samsung phone. Android does have an equivalent called Hangouts and is required to be installed on every Android phone, but that wasn't the case 2 years ago, which is what Y2HH was talking about. And the idea that having to do a few extra steps to sign up for something is ridiculous. Nobody's asking you to do anything complicated. If you can't do it, you shouldn't own a smartphone.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:10 PM) Skype isn't part of Android, and it requires all parties download a separate 3rd party app, sign up for it, login to it, configure it, etc...this is exactly the thing I'm talking about. No, it's not a big deal for us, but for my mom, or certain friends, forget it...you know what's easier? Having them touch the Facetime button. And I already went over Apple's push for NFC over the shoddy implementations on various Android devices...yes you can install your credit cards, so what...they hardly bothered working with the numerous credit card companies, etc...and this isn't Google's fault at all. Google created software that supported NFC, but the NFC chips, installed by the likes of Samsung, etc...need to be pushed by Samsung, unless they're implementation works across the board with HTC, Sony, etc...which I'm sure they're not all that interested in. It's a combination of retailers and credit card companies. Credit card companies need to give incentive to retailers for pushing mobile payments, which I'm sure is now the case. Google didn't do that. I feel like it is Google's fault, it's their service. Samsung and other OEMs don't have a mobile payment service. They just put the chips into the phone and I doubt they care about mobile payments. Like I said before, NFC is more than just mobile payments. It's also great for triggering actions, which I'm wondering if Apple will finally implement.