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QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 08:41 PM) As long as we're going over roster moves by Guillen. Shouldn't he get credit for the well-below market value contract extension (3y/$27M) Freddy Garcia signed in 2004? That more than makes up for his Thome decision. So Ozzie saving the team maybe $10 million over a span of 3 years makes up for making the decision that lost us the division last year? Those two don't equate.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 03:44 PM) Print and put em in your case? I would only do it if I can get fine quality paper (like the one the publisher uses) or else it would seem really cheap...

Not a huge fan of LaRussa, but he would be an upgrade over Ozzie.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 10:46 AM) For the record: Ozzie made a number of gutsy calls in the '05 postseason that other managers may not have made. Buehrle to close out game 3 at Houston bringing in El Duque in Boston leaving starters in for the duration instead of Manuel-ing the game by insisting on maintaining bullpen roles Who else was Ozzie going to throw in game 3? Ozzie ran out of relief pitchers, he had to pitch a starter and it was either Buehrle or Contreras. He chose Buehrle, which was the right move since Contreras would have to start game 5, but it's not like he had to make a really tough decision or anything. If anything, Ozzie was playing bullpen roles. It was the 6th inning and he probably wasn't going to bring in anyone that would pitch the later innings. But, he did pick the right guy out of 3 others, so that's worth some praise. And any manager would have loved to have gotten what Ozzie did out of his starters. There's no use in taking them out or "Manuel-ing" them when they all give up 3 runs or less and have very low pitch counts going into the later innings. Give the pitchers credit, Ozzie just sat there while they pitched their asses off.

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QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 10:44 PM) I don't think he's bad. Overvalued even at career norms. He plays SS, he plays it well, and he's an above average offensive SS. What else do you want? Do you want Trevor Plouffe instead? At the rate he's getting paid and the production he gives, he's a bargain.

Alexei's probably the second most valuable position player on the team. I don't know how you can think he sucks.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 10:17 PM) It's not even feasible. The Giants have decided to eat the $12 mil left on Rowand's contract just to get him off the roster. Rios is still owed nearly $40 milion for the next 3 years. Either way, I don't know if Rowand would be an improvement. Unless Sabean thinks Rios can turn it around...hmmm

Even Sabean's not that stupid... Rowand's an expiring, Rios has 3 years left on his deal.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 11:02 PM) Before this season, Kenny still had a lot of Sox fans on his side, at this point, a LOT more than 10 percent want him gone. I would like this organization to just clean house. But if I had a choice of who to get rid of, it's easily Ozzie. It's true that KW has made some really bad moves lately, but he's still a competent GM to a degree. Ozzie on the other hand...no.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 04:53 PM) I was thinking that we might have seen the last home game with Guillen as manager. The seem to want to get compensation from the Marlins though. At this point, I'd just let him go. I dream of LoMo on the Sox... Imagine if the Guillens go down to Florida and LoMo is still on the team...Oney vs. LoMo on Twitter will be interesting to see.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 04:41 PM) He got hit hard in that first inning today. I don't know if he's unlucky, but his stuff isn't near what it was. He can't get away with any mistakes. I never said he was good today and I'm not saying that he shouldn't be blamed at all. But saying Peavy's nothing but a deadweight is speaking far too early. Remember when Zack Greinke had a 5.5 ERA earlier this year with absolutely gaudy K:BB ratios? I'm not saying Peavy's anywhere near the same pitcher, but pitchers tend to come back to what their peripherals show and Peavy's peripherals have been pretty good.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 04:23 PM) the offense scored 6 runs, you should win every one of those games peavy is just a flat out terrible pitcher, the team is hindered by having to pitch him and pay him Peavy's had 2-3 of these really bad starts. He hasn't been that bad in the other ones. He's been incredibly unlucky. If you haven't noticed, he's not giving up home runs or extremely hard hit line drives in most of his games, but ends up giving up 3-4 runs regardless. He has a 62% strand rate, which is about 10% below league average. The rule of thumb is that over a large amount of innings (say about 1000), luck gets isolated and the strand rate for all pitchers should be about 72-75%. On top of that, Peavy has an FIP almost 2 runs lower than his ERA. An xFIP 1.5 runs lower, a tERA a whole run lower, and a SIERA 1.5 runs lower. That's 4 separate advanced pitching metrics saying he's been unlucky and by quite a large amount as well. On top of that, from what I've seen, I don't think he really deserves to have an ERA over 5. He's probably been the unluckiest pitcher on the staff this year just by the amount of seeing eye singles he's given up. I know it sounds like I'm making excuses for him, but I truly believe that he isn't as bad as his ERA looks.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 04:21 PM) I said that before It's also the most important spot in the batting order since the 4th hitter comes up with the most men on base. But you guys probably already knew that.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 04:12 PM) You are wrong. The problem with this game was Jake Peavy. Peavy had to pitch because he's owed a lot of money. And who else are you going to pitch instead of Peavy...? There's no doubt Peavy had a bad start, but the fact that the offense was hindered by Ozzie Guillen before the game even started speaks louder volumes.

QUOTE (sunofgold @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 04:08 PM) Vizquel did get a walk, thus cannot say that was a bad decision. Beckham isn't really lighting things up. The pinch running thing didn't really matter. But that wasn't the worst decision. Paulie is slow and coming off an injury ..thus he is super slow. Need somebody who could score from first on a double (2 outs so runner going with pitch). And you don't want to use one of your better pitchers like Buehrle or Danks to pinch run. However, with Rios at the plate and striking out...well I could have been the pinch runner is that situation. loL! Rios really should be batting 7th. Even TCM would be a better choice in the clean up position but I like the Tank there ..giving also Konerko some protection. I thought that they were going to pitch around PK in the ninth. That is what I would have done. He was the tying run at that point. The pinch running and the Vizquel pinch hit are directly related. There was really no reason to pinch hit for Beckham in that situation. In fact, Beckham's hitting .333 off Nathan in 6 PAs with a home run.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 04:07 PM) I normally don't like to add to the anger party in a game thread, but... Adam Dunn pinch hitting for Lillibridge? SERIOUSLY???? When Lilli already hit a HR? And did I read the box score right - Zach Stewart ran for PK? WTF was that about? Why the f*** is Rios hitting cleanup??? These are ALL Ozzie. And how perfect for 2011 - the Sox very nearly com back again, and the two guys who fail - Rios and Dunn, both on K's. Sounds about right. Stewart ran for Konerko because Ozzie ran out of bench players. He tried to over-manage this game in the 9th by doing lefty righty matchups and it failed big time. For crying out loud, we need a damn manager who would actually looks at splits.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 04:04 PM) I think Guillen should be fired. I think it's laughable to blame any manager for losing a game when your starter gives up 6 runs in the first. If you want to go the root of the problem with this game (or any recent game), it's the fact that Rios is hitting 4th and playing CF instead of De Aza.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 04:01 PM) Because Vizquel can hit from the left side of the plate. Vizquel's terrible and he could have been called on strike on two occasions. We got a break.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 03:59 PM) 6 runs in 5 innings and you try and make that sound positive? Not really. Just saying Peavy wasn't the only problem today.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 03:59 PM) This. What a disastrous managerial game for Ozzie. Just atrocious. The whole pinch running thing was actually a good idea (shockingly), so that should not be lumped in there. I still don't understand why he put Omar to pinch hit for Beckham. If I remember correctly, Bekcham's homered off Nathan before (the good one). That's wasting a player for no reason.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 03:56 PM) How do you feel about Peavy? Peavy still gave the team 5 innings despite an absolute suck fest in the first. But the problems with this team stems from the manager and his terribly wrong use of players like Dunn and Rios. It would be one thing if he was forced to play Dunn and Rios and had no other alternatives. But hey...he does have alternatives and they're all pretty damn solid. It's like Ozzie wanted to lose the damn game.

This game should get Ozzie fired, if anything else before it wasn't' enough already.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 11:03 AM) Good point. Plus, benching Pierre while Ozzie is at the helm will NEVER happen.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 11:00 AM) Hell even .250/.286/.250/.536 (last 7 days) Pierre he could have subbed for. I know Juan is a horse, but damn he won't be here next year. (I pray he isn't) Give what could be your leadoff man in 2012 some pub up there Ozzie. Ozzie doesn't give a s*** about next year's team. He won't be here.