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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 17, 2010 -> 01:41 PM) Eric Patterson, he of the career slash-line of .224/299/.353, was the PTBNL is the Gonzalez deal. Wow... Remember when Eric Patterson was on the Cubs? Speaking of San Diego, they did get O-Dawg, 2 years $11 million. What's funny is that he's being paid as much as A-Gon, so he's literally A-Gon's replacement on the payroll.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 17, 2010 -> 11:24 AM) Yankees sign Pedro Feliciano. http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5929488 Two years, 8 million with an option for a third year is what's being reported. Pretty good deal for them. Feliciano's a good reliever.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Dec 16, 2010 -> 07:55 PM) Who on earth is going to take Teahen for 2 Years and 9M. Who I ask you. Ed Wade.

QUOTE (pktmotion @ Dec 16, 2010 -> 10:01 PM) Wow Billy Beane is absolutely enamored with OBP. Between DeJesus/Barton/Willingham they should have an overall OBP pushing 400! OBP is great, but when you're relying on Matsui as your main power source. I'm afraid all that hard work has gone to waste. If they only had a legit slugging threat... Regardless Im always happy to see Oakland do well, their teams/players are always fun to watch. They probably shouldn't rely on that much power, especially since they play in one of the best pitcher's parks in baseball. I do like their lineup though. DeJesus LF Crisp CF Barton 1B Willingham RF Matsui DH Suzuki C Kouzmanoff 3B Ellis 2B Pennington SS There's a lot of OBP in that lineup and you'll get decent power from Willingham, Matsui, and Kouzmanoff.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 16, 2010 -> 05:57 PM) Who's in the market for an $11-12 million dollar a year closer coming off a down season 1 year away from free agency? Nobody comes to mind. But if Boston thinks they can use Jenks as an 8th inning guy, they might be thinking the wrong way.

Wow, Kerry Wood really wanted to pitch for the Cubs again, huh?

So I'm guessing Papelbon's getting traded. Because Bobby as anything but a closer would be scary.

Bobby's going to get eaten alive in Boston if he pitches like he did last season.

http://www.pastapadre.com/2010/12/16/trail...mlb-11-the-show Mauer on cover again, but the Show just keeps getting better.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Dec 16, 2010 -> 12:18 PM) UPDATE My calculations have the White Sox committed at $108.85M to 16 players for 2011. This includes: Buehrle (14M) + Peavy (16M) + Jackson (8.35M) + Floyd (5M) + Thornton (3M) + Crain (4.3M) + Castro (1.2M) + AJ (2M) + Vizquel (1.75M) + Viciedo (1.25M) + Ramirez (2.75M) + Konerko (12M) + Teahen (4.75M) + Rios (12M) + Pierre (8.5M) + Dunn (12M) This does not include arbitration eligibility for Quentin (4.5M estimate), Danks (5.5M estimate), Pena (2.2M estimate). This does not include team controlled salaries for Sale (400K estimate ), Morel (400K estimate), Santos (400K estimate), Lillibridge (400K estimate), Beckham (600K estimate), Gregor Infante/Internal Bullpen (400K estimate). This includes the break even money coming in for Pierre (+3.5M) and the money going out for Linebrink (-3.5M). 2011 Payroll Commitments + Estimations = $123.65 (25 Players) This has to be the highest payroll in team history. I think 08 was pretty close to this figure, but wasn't that around $121 million with money from the Phillies for Thome and some other stuff?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 16, 2010 -> 09:17 AM) This board's obsession with Joe Cowley is getting old. Every thread has Joe Cowley talk. Everyone, get over the fact that he ripped Soxtalk once! That wasn't even a rip on Cowley. That's just me saying how crazy we're in our current situation when it was doom and gloom not so long ago.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Dec 16, 2010 -> 12:14 AM) Gotta think Wood = revenue for the Cubs. More so than just any old reliever signing, at least. The Cubs fans love their Wood.

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Dec 15, 2010 -> 11:27 PM) He better produce for that term and those numbers. I don't want Linebrink part 2. Linebrink had a bunch of nagging injuries. Crain's been healthy for most of his career.

QUOTE (Ranger @ Dec 15, 2010 -> 11:04 PM) Who says Downs was intersted in coming here? This is fantasy baseball. There are a lot of variables to signing players you want to sign and the market can change over the course of several days. Oh, then I'd like to trade for Joakim Soria. What if Kenny didn't like Downs for some reason? What if Kenny preferred a right handed pitcher instead of a left hander? Could all be possible, but there's no question Downs is the better pitcher and would give you a better return.

Also, don't forget that Cowley said 2011 could be "The Kids Can Play II" about a month and a half ago.

LR Minor Leaguer MR Pena MR Santos SU Sale SU Crain CL Thornton We're getting warmer...

QUOTE (Ranger @ Dec 15, 2010 -> 10:25 PM) Again, when you need something, you're probably going to have to overpay for it. Same thing with Linebrink. Sox desperatley needed bullpen help, Sox were gonna have to overpay. It's how the market works. There were better options out there who are going for around the same rate. Downs is a better reliever than Crain, yet he only got two million more. The reason I wanted the Sox to sign Crain was because I thought he was going to come cheaper, something around 2 for $7 million or 3 for $10 million. The contract pays Crain to be at least a 1 WAR reliever, he hasn't done that yet in his career. Although if he pitches like he did last year, he should be just fine. Either the payroll is going to $125 million or there's a lot of trades coming our way.

So we sign Jesse Crain and are now going after Kerry Wood? Just who are we trading to free up this money?

Wow, did we have to give him three years? Jeez. I think he's a decent pitcher and all, but I'm not liking the length of the contract. It's true that he should stay relatively healthy and all, but they might as well have gotten Scott Downs.

Took my first final today. Unfortunately, I have two other ones to go. Sad part is, the one I took today might have been my easiest.

No to Guerrier. His FIP is pretty high since he doesn't really K that many and he always walks his fair share. He is a good GB pitcher though. However, as a bullpen arm, you'd want somebody who misses bats. Crain would be the better, cheaper option IMO.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Dec 14, 2010 -> 11:18 AM) yeah they are feeling pretty s***ty now, so the Sox could get over-market value for a pitcher because of the Yankees' desperation. Floyd in New York, however, would be a disaster, IMO. I am not sure how he would handle NY pressure. But I would love Gardner, he is Juan Pierre x 100. I had that thought in the back of my mind ever since the rumor yesterday. He might go Dontrelle Willis.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Dec 14, 2010 -> 12:47 AM) Yeah it's pretty much bulls*** when comparing hitters to pitchers. It holds some relevance between like players. 100% worthless when comparing Brett Gardner to Gavin Floyd. It is better when comparing position players to position players or pitchers to pitchers, but it's not 100% worthless. Plus, pitching WAR is calculated very differently depending on where you're looking.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Dec 14, 2010 -> 12:42 AM) Are we talking WAR here? If so, Gardner was "worth" more than Hamels, Oswalt, Sabathia...I'll stop now. One year of WAR doesn't mean he's better than players who had lower WAR, especially for a guy like Gardner, who's still sort of unproven and had about 1/3 of his WAR based on UZR. Andres Torres put up a 6 WAR last year, is he really better than say, Jayson Werth? Probably not, but he probably did provide more value to the Giants in 2010 than Werth did for the Phillies. That 6 WAR figure doesn't really mean too much as to how the two will perform in 2011.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 14, 2010 -> 12:39 AM) They can absorb his contract and would be a decent bench option for them. It'd be like Swisher trade volume 2. Except this time, the player they get sucks and we're not going to be the losers of the deal.