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QUOTE (qwerty @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 02:48 PM) We all know jermaine dye was a good outfield, a plus outfielder. Clearly that makes quentin an amazing fielder, a ++ even. Greg has a thing for defending our right fielders' defense, even if they are bad.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 02:44 PM) FYI, BoSox and Royals talking about a possible DeJesus deal. Lame...

^Oswalt's been pretty good this year.

I'm pretty sure Quentin would be far more valuable as a DH than a right fielder. Quentin's current WAR: 0.2 Quentin's WAR as a DH with same numbers: 1.2 It's a one win difference. By him not DHing, it has cost the team a whole win share, or 10 runs created. If you can go get a David DeJesus to play right field, it would affect the DH position by inserting Quentin there, our right field defense, and a good top of the order bat.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 02:35 PM) Take the average offensive and defensive player. Think how many runs more than the average offensive player Q has created overall this year, then think how many runs more than the average defensive player Q has allowed with his outfield play. If you add the numbers up, Q ends up a positive player for us, but not by nearly as much as apparently everybody seems to think. I don't take the -14 UZR that seriously, he's been bad out there, but I don't know if he's that bad. Horrendous would be a good word to describe his fielding this year, but I don't know if it's nearing -30 UZR/150 type of horrendous. BTW, before Sunday's game, Quentin was a negative value to the Sox as a whole.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 02:29 PM) Why is it embarrassing? The guy makes a great catch and I read this thread and have to read about what a hack he is. If you guys want to live in the negative, go for it. I can't for the life of me think of why anybody would feel the need to post negative s*** about Quentin's catch today. I'm not embarrassed by my posts. I guess we could play some great defensive right fielder out there who can't hit, then we can b**** about that player's hitting. It is not b****ing, it is constructive criticism based on numbers.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 02:23 PM) OK, I give up before I even start this argument. Carlos Quentin is so bad it overshadows the incredible hot streak he is on. Now, please follow with 20 posts about how bad his defense is. He is soooooo bad. It's disgusting to see him penciled in the lineup and sickening to see him run out to right every inning. It ruins every game for me. I agree. The stats prove how bad he is defensively. His D overshadows everything about what he's done lately. OK, let's move on. Nobody said he should be out of the lineup. I love Carlos Quentin when he hits, but I would like for him to DH instead. BTW, remember when people said that Carlos is too much of a headcase to DH? Doesn't seem to be the case since he has 4 home runs DHing these past two games.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 02:20 PM) That it's ridiculous to always post negative s*** about somebody. No, he is not horrid defensively. He is not a train wreck out there defensively. He's average to below average defensively, not horrible. It was a great f***ing catch and people are b****ing about it. Right, because everybody on the Sox is perfect. Do you work for White Sox PR or something?

I ran both of these lineups through a lineup optimizer. Actual AL: 6.31 runs NL: 6.18 runs I then created my own lineups based on the entire roster (I did not replace the players fans voted in unless they were hurt). Theoretical AL: 6.71 runs NL: 6.32 runs Looks like Girardi could have done better. My theoretical linueps AL 1. Ichiro CF 2. Crawford LF 3. Hamilton RF 4. Cabrera 1B 5. Cano 2B 6. Guerrero DH 7. Longoria 3B 8. Mauer C 9. Jeter SS SP. Lee NL 1. Ramirez SS 2. Byrd CF 3. Pujols 1B 4. Votto DH 5. Wright 3B 6. Ethier RF 7. Braun LF 8. Prado 2B 9. Molina C SP. J. Johnson

Heat also have Big Z now.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 01:22 PM) Doesn't Law also hate the Cardinals, and don't they run a similar philosophy? Also, for what its worth, if we built a decent farm, I'd love to see what Kenny could do with it. Kenny inherited the best farm system in baseball back in 2001. With it, he got Todd Ritchie, David Wells, Billy Koch, Bartolo Colon, Carl Everett, Roberto Alomar, Freddy Garcia, and Carl Everett again. There might be some more, but he didn't use it in the best of ways. Outside of Colon, Freddy, and the first year of Jurassic Carl, it was pretty much complete fail. The good thing is that none of the guys he traded turned out to be anything of importance. Really does tell you how hype of a farm system can turn into absolutely nothing.

He'd be playing out of position then... Looks like Okur might be trade bait then.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 12:47 PM) Dont the fans vote for the starters so I dont know why you are going off on that, can pick apart the lineup all you want but he had to start those players to best of my knowledge. IMO, Molina's the only one that really doesn't deserve to be there, the fans did an alright job this year. Somebody had to play for Heyward, Manuel put Hart in there instead of Byrd, who can actually play CF. Nobody in that outfield right now can play center.

Haslem's not a terrible defensive player. They will have trouble in the playoffs due to lack of good depth, but the fact that people were questioning if they can win 50 games should be put to rest by now.

Law comes from the school of Billy Beane, so you can bet that he will do it in the most conservative manner possible. He's the perfect GM of a small market club.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 11:15 AM) Zwuh? I'm talking about this from a peripheral standpoint. Yes, he had a good ERA and all, but he was very lucky that year. Ever since then, it's been the exact opposite. Ace-like peripherals, bad luck.

Looks like Mr. Law dropped the ball on this one. Gavin's 08 wasn't very good, but he's developed into a top flight pitcher.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 10:38 AM) Sanchez is supposedly available as well as they are looking to clear the way for Morrison. He would definitely cost more than Cantu though with their contract situations. I'd rather go get LaRoche.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 10:37 AM) Law was hired in 2002 by Ricciardi, so that was after all of the Wells/Sirotka stuff. I think it has more to do with him just having a disagreement with the Sox organizational philosophy in general. Law preaches that teams should build from within, making well calculated risks during the draft and bringing in players via international free agency and only when a team is close to competing should they go out and spend money in free agency or trade players away. Williams, instead, uses his minor league players to bring in major leaguers and has rarely used the Sox minor league system to directly impact the White Sox. Law, I would imagine, was pretty pissed off that the Sox won in 2008 considering the year before they looked like a franchise that was doomed to fail for 3-5 years. That is, he would be pissed off if he cared. I'm not sure he did. I looked around the web last night, and it seems as though there are several teams that believe that Law "hates" them, the Nationals being one. So shouldn't Law hate the Yankees too? The Tigers? The Cubs? And it's not like Kenny hasn't acquired good prospects before (Danks, Floyd, Quentin, Alexei).

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/07/12/mlb-pow...te-sox-on-rise/ FanHouse has ranked us #1...bold.

If I ever go there again, I'm going to think about Jake Peavy.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 10:05 AM) Of all the places for a rich ass athlete to go on campus LOL. I know right? At least go to Murphy's.

Holy s***, plus/minus has Alexei at 17 defensive runs saved...

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 10:02 AM) Fixed He'd win the Gold Glove too.

BTW, I don't think Peavy's insurance kicks in until next year and that's if he's hurt for next year.