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QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 11:29 AM) Napoli was the comp he got on draft day. Hopefully he can be that with better defense and a longer career behind the plate. Napoli was an All-Star and one of the best offensive catchers in the league for the better part of a decade. If the White Sox get that out of Collins, or maybe even slightly better, it's a win. I think Brian McCann was actually his comp on draft day

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 12:26 PM) I think most people here severely overvalue what Kahnle could fetch in a trade. Give his short track record, his complete anonymity and the general volatility of relief pitchers, I would be shocked if the Sox got a single top 50 guy for him, let alone a package built around one. I think you just keep him then and let him close.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 11:39 AM) Tough call. Track record hasn't been good. Is this a fluke? Since the Sox aren't going to be contending in my opinion for another two years if someone makes a reasonable offer you move him. There are some reasons in the article why it might not be a fluke though. Was really good in minors, made some mechanical adjustments and has ridiculous stuff.

I'm shamelessly plugging my own article here: https://www.bagadonutssports.com/blog/2017/...-a-curious-case But, What should the White Sox do with Kahnle?

If there are no trades prior to their return, Willy Garcia and Adam Engel will go down. They have options. Sox don't really have another choice unless they want to go with 12 pitchers which is probably what I'd do.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 04:57 PM) You should know by now they're being incredibly patient with guys. Heck, Nate Jones and Leury were supposed to have minor issues and I'm pretty sure they will both be out for two years Yep. Dylan Covey actually died and nobody said anything.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 02:03 PM) Agreed. The 05 regime deserves credit for the WS title. Put them in the team Hall of Fame. But please Jerry and the group, SELL. Please sell. Our ballpark is no good (I know the popular opinion on here is it's great, but take away the food and what do you have except a monstrocity with a horrid upper deck). Aside from the park, we have a horrific front office. I agree with you. The supposed rebuild is not going to work. SELL, JERRY. Sell it to somebody with money to burn. Thank you. It always makes me feel better about myself when I disagree with pretty much everything in one of your posts.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 04:47 PM) They do if they are doing well and Moncada can stay in AAA a bit longer and develp They really don't man. When the Sox think Moncada is ready (after the Super 2 Date) he'll be in Chicago regardless of how the other guys are doing

He's going to hit though. Even if he's a high OBP with power, if he stays at catcher, it's a win. If he's like a .265/.365/.450 guy with a bunch of homers and walks, he's likely an All-Star behind the plate.

Tyler Saladino, Leury Garcia, and Yolmer Sanchez have no bearing on Yoan Moncada or when he comes to the big leagues.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 11:50 PM) Finally watched Moonlight. La La land was bette and so was hidden figures IMO I think Manchester By The Sea was better than all 3. Depressing as s***. But better.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 03:56 PM) There's a significant drop in talent after the Cavs, Celtics, Raptors, Wizards, and maybe the Bucks. We will see who suits up for the Sixers first. Outside of Celtics, literally no one is trying to get better in the East. And even though they tried, Celtics still have a long way to go from really challenging the Cavs. So you can mark down Lebron in the Finals again in 2018. And the talent disparity for the two conferences is insane. If you list the top 10 players in the league, you have Lebron and maybe Giannis from the East, then who else? Cavs, Celtics, Raptors, Wizards, Bucks, and Heat are all likely playoff teams. I think Charlotte and Philadelphia are too. That leaves the rest. NY, Orlando, and Detroit are all better than the Bulls. Bulls will be battling Brooklyn, Indiana, and Atlanta for the basement.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 03:58 PM) Yeah, well, he is hitting 100 points below that level. Walks are great and all, but if a guy doesn't show the ability to hit, pitchers are just going to attack him, and the walks will decline then disappear. He needs to hit. By no means am I calling him a bust or anything like that, it is his first full season of pro ball and he has time. But he has to hit. For a guy that was billed as an advanced college bat, it is a bit concerning to see him struggle to hit in his second go round in A-ball. If he were doing what he did last year (.258/.418/.467), most people would be happy with him even though it isn't progress. To this point, this season has been a step backwards (offensively) , and in terms of player development, that is a failure. Yes, he has gotten better defensively, but defensive catchers are a dime a dozen, it is that bat that could make him special. The bat needs to start showing some progress, it is scary that he has shown that he may be better suited for Kanny than Birmingham. I disagree a bit here. The most important part of Collins' development is staying at catcher. If he can do that, he could be an All-Star. He also doesn't have to be a monster offensively. If he can't stay at C and we are talking about a 1B/DH, then yes he needs to absolutely rake.

I'm not sure Minnesota is a top 6 seed out West. Taj isn't really a great fit. They need shooting really bad. THey don't shoot the 3 well enough to be a serious factor out West with the way the game is played now. GSW/SA/Houston/OKC are probably all still better. Wolves in that next group though with a bunch of teams.

QUOTE (Saladino'sMustache @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 10:56 AM) Kahnle got absolutely robbed. I know he's had some trouble lately, but look at his numbers compared to Betances. Kahnle: 0.9 WAR, 2.20 ERA, 0.918 WHIP, 7.86 K/BB. Betances: 0.5 WAR, 3.12 ERA, 1.346 WHIP, 2.29 K/BB. It's not even close. Look at it this way: Tommy Kahnle: 1.3 fWAR, 32.2 IP, 55K/7BB, 2.20 ERA and 1.21 FIP Dellin Betances: 0.7 fWAR, 26 IP, 48K/21BB, 3.12 ERA, 2.60 FIP

Nightengale reported months ago that Sox were sending Robertson and a chunk of the contract to Washington for 3B Drew Ward and LHP Jesus Luzardo. It fell through because Ted Lerner (2nd richest owner in MLB) is cheap. It's easy to see what might have happened here. Sox want to eat X and get those players in return. Nats want Sox to eat Y and take same players. I doubt this deal happens. Robertson has been really good this year. While I want the Sox to eat $$ on deals in order to receive better prospects in return, I don't really think it should be necessary to eat much of Robertson's deal. You should get prospects for him while someone else takes on the $$. It's not that bad.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 01:41 PM) Cubs despite being in penalty are getting 2 top 50 players...how does that work out. They are from Mexico. Weird rules. The player is getting like $300K but they are paying $1.5 million or so for each guy. In Mexican League, club takes the rest. Really strange.

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QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 08:55 PM) How much are top prospects likely to get July 2nd? The top player is SS Wander Franco. He's getting $3.9 million from Tampa Bay

QUOTE (Soha @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 09:34 AM) In the past I would have agreed with you. But it's all about the rebuild now isn't it? I think Jerry's too old to let things like this get in the way. I'm envisioning a conversation where Hahn tells Jerry that we have 2 good offers. The better offer is from the Cubs for Jimenez +. I just don't see Jerry saying to take the worse offer because I don't want Quintana helping the Cubs. That in itself is hurting the White Sox. I think they're above that now. Maybe I'm wrong? And boy is the need ever there. The Cubs probably need Quintana more than any other contender in baseball does. It's like a "regional" tax similar to what it'd be like to deal with a divisional team. I don't think there's any way that the Cubs offer a bunch more than Houston or NYY and that's what it'd take to send Q there.

QUOTE (Soha @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 09:20 AM) I would strongly prefer Eloy as a headliner for Q as opposed to guys like Frazier or Rutherford. Even if it comes at the expense of depth in the trade. We can fill out the system's depth when trading everyone else. The White Sox and Cubs aren't making a Quintana deal

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 09:15 PM) Comito have a good arm? Yes. Was an overslot signing and Iowa commit from an Iowa HS in I believe 2015?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 08:26 AM) We can't forget that it isn't a given that the Sox will be willing to eat any of Robertson's salary. Heyman is reporting otherwise. He says Sox will eat $$ on guys to enhance prospect return

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 07:40 AM) http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball...ticle-1.3288375 Article from the NYDN this morning about how Yanks should go after Quintana and Robertson with scout quotes. Here are a couple snippets. Here’s what that probably means: one player would be Clint Frazier or Blake Rutherford; another would be Chance Adams or Justus Sheffield; and then someone like Wade or Andujar, as well as a younger pitcher like Albert Abreu. That’s not unreasonable to get two pitchers who could put the Yankees over the top this season and be here beyond 2017, especially with all of the young talent they have to absorb such a hit to their farm system. It also mentions that they might have to beat Houston to the punch Landing one of Frazier/Rutherford + one of Sheffield/Adams/ + Andujar + Abreu would be a great deal

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball...ticle-1.3288375 Article from the NYDN this morning about how Yanks should go after Quintana and Robertson with scout quotes. Here are a couple snippets. “It makes sense for the Yankees because those two guys solve a lot of problems for them,” a team executive said on Thursday, “but the cost is going to be painful in terms of prospects. Even if they move now to beat Houston to the punch, (White Sox GM) Rick Hahn can still dictate the price.” What would it cost? The consensus among the scouts and executives was that to get both Quintana and Robertson, it would take two blue-chippers and two other significant prospects. Here’s what that probably means: one player would be Clint Frazier or Blake Rutherford; another would be Chance Adams or Justus Sheffield; and then someone like Wade or Andujar, as well as a younger pitcher like Albert Abreu. That’s not unreasonable to get two pitchers who could put the Yankees over the top this season and be here beyond 2017, especially with all of the young talent they have to absorb such a hit to their farm system. It also mentions that they might have to beat Houston to the punch