Y2Jimmy0

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2016...Ldzy2KuisThX.97 Baseball America has begun to rank the top 20 prospects in each league. In the AZL, they had White Sox SS Amado Nunez at #19. Fernando Tatis was #10 who they traded for James Shields. In the Pioneer League, Alec Hansen is #2 behind Riley Pint and 7th round LHP Bernardo Flores is # 20.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) Last Year in 13 games Andy Dalton threw for 3200 yards with 28 total touchdowns and 7 Ints, 2 fumbles. Last year in 15 games, in Jay Cutlers best regarded year as a Bear, he threw for 3600 yards, 22 total Tds, 11 interceptions and 5 fumbles lost Alex Smith, 16 games 3500 yards, 22 total TDs, 7 ints, 0 fumbles lost. Matt Ryan has taken a beating, but even last year as everyone decided he's not very good, he threw for 4,600 yards, 21 touchdowns and 16 ints, with 5 fumbles lost (12 fumbles!). Stafford in 16 games threw for 4,200 yards, 32 touchdowns, 13 INTs and 2 fumbles Everyone pretty much does see more attempts per game, which would account for the gross yardage almost always being in favor of other QBs, but it may also be that they are trusted with a more passing offense and don't kill drives as often. If you put those QBs ahead of him (which I would), he is in the bottom 10 in the league. Flacco is the one QB I would say is most often like Jay Cutler. You are scouting a stat line though and it's very subjective. I'd rather have him than those players. Cutler was basically the reason why the Bears even had 6 wins last year. I will agree that he'd be basically lumped in with those guys if we were doing like "categories" of QB's. I'm fine with moving on too. I just understand why teams settle for someone functional.

QUOTE (Hawkfan @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 02:00 PM) Do you think we can get Hawk Harrelson to Join soxtalk after he retires so we can still receive his tutelage? He's already on soxtalk. Posts under the handle greg775

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 02:13 PM) It would be my guess that he made that clear up front. I know that was a reason that other candidates passed up the bench manager position. It's the supposed reason as to why Sandy Alomar turned down the bench coach job.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 02:22 PM) I dont think Kizer is going #1 as he's not the best QB in the draft. I also think the Bears will have a top 3 pick. Kizer is the top QB and many draft analysts agree. Matt Miller among others are already talking about Kizer as the #1 pick.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 01:43 PM) He's not below average. What guys do you consider average? So going through the QB's in football: Newton, Roethlisberger, Brady, Brees, Luck, Rodgers, Rivers, Manning, Romo, Wilson, and Flacco are better than Cutler. I'd take Winston, Wentz, Bortles, Carr, Mariota, and Bridgewater over him too. That puts him around 18 which is about right I think. I don't think guys like Dalton, Smith, Ryan, and Stafford are better than Cutler is but others probably disagree. He is what he is.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 02:04 PM) Yeah I dont think he's below average, but we also arent "Building a team" around him either. By the time this team is turned over and ready he's going to be gone. Oh yeah I agree with this. I don't think they'll be bad enough to take one of the top 2 QB's next year. Garoppolo could be an interesting trade option. Cutler only has a $2 million cap hit if they cut him next year but I still feel like they'll be able to get a draft pick for him if they choose that route. If you could guarantee me that they'd be horrible enough to select Kizer I'd take that deal right now. He's probably going #1 though.

Whatever the reason, if they choose Rick Renteria to manage next season, it's ridiculous that he wasn't managing at some point this season when it was clear that Ventura was in his final season. I know it's probably Rick's choice. That's a disservice to the organization though.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 12:27 PM) I think their spending habits will have more to do with that. Maybe so. I just meant that it's extremely unlikely that a team in their position would forfeit a top 15 pick.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 01:41 PM) The often outlandish criticism Cutler has received has created a built-in defense of him that is deployed even when it isn't warranted. Cutler is a below average QB. But he is still a QB you can create a passing offense around. But Bears fans think below average in terms of Rex Grossman, Miller, Matthews, Orton, Krenzel, etc. Quarterbacks that would finish year with 10 or less TDs to their name, that you could not run a passing offense around. But for cutler, his inability to stay healthy is a criticism, same as Romo at this point in career. How can you build a team around a QB who isn't there for 3/4s of snaps every year? And you can put all of that blame on protection, but there are things that make QBs great (getting ball out of their hand, decision making, protecting ball) that he is not great at. He just isn't that good. There are too many good QBs in the league to still consider Cutler average. He's not below average. What guys do you consider average?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 11:53 AM) If you got time do you mind throwing the conclusion in spoiler tags and posting it in here? I'm intrigued but I'll probably never get around to watching this.

The JonBenet Ramsey Investigative thing on CBS was really good. They had a private team reinvestigate the case basically. I don't want to give it away but the conclusion makes a lot of sense.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 07:06 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationw...0920-story.html Obama to spend 2 days a week campaigning for HRC. Hopefully this is coming from his golf schedule... He can't get anything else done anyway. I'd spend my time golfing and watching sports instead though.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 10:46 AM) I would agree with you but he was kind of pushed out by the cub so I see his point with the White Sox and don't think it should reflect on him as much. I just think that it would have most benefitted the club to see him manage the 2nd half of the year if he's honestly a candidate. If he didn't want that chance, that's enough for me to move on to someone else. I'm sure he's a great guy, but he wouldn't be managing my baseball team.

White Sox will most likely pick 11th or 12th. At least that takes them out of the discussion for QO free agents.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 09:21 AM) Again, supposedly it wasn't that the Sox didn't want to, it was that Renteria wouldn't do it. Now I get that. I guess its commendable. I'd move on to a different candidate because of it though.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 07:31 PM) Rumor was that he didn't want to take over midseason. He didn't want to do that to Ventura. That may be true but it seems ridiculous. They are adults. Why would they not have given Renteria a trial run with the same players to see how it went? If it's because he didn't want to hurt another adult's feelings then I'd like to move on to the next candidate.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 01:03 PM) I think it will be Bud Black and I actually think that would be a quality hire. I would love Bud Black. Option #1 for me.

I'm surprised by the Rick Renteria votes. Wouldn't they have just tried that already if that were the case?

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 10:38 AM) Ron Gardenhire Puke. I may actually be done if they hire that dinosaur.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 10:13 AM) Most likely Renteria IMO, though I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted a former player like A.J., Rowand, Thome, and maybe even Konerko to take the job. I don't think there's any chance that it's Renteria. I just feel like they would have had him take over this season if it were going to be him.

I think it's clear that Robin Ventura will be relieved shortly after the season. Who will be the next manager? I still say Sandy Alomar.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 12:05 AM) I'm all about the military. If ONE military man or woman is upset then I am upset. I respect the hell outta the military. Colin is going about this in a very wrong way. This is absurd. It's been rehashed over and over again though and you still don't get it. Our military does what they do so that people like Collin Kaepernick have the right to protest the way that they choose. I wish people were as upset about the man that was just killed in Tulsa as they are about what Kaepernick and some athletes are doing.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 20, 2016 -> 01:20 PM) I've been thinking about this. All these bad decisions by police are leading up to something major. The police need to cut this s*** out. Incident after incident is just asking for some kind of revolutionary violent protest, the likes of which we've probably never seen. There needs to be a national symposium with Obama demanding all police forces (yes every single police force in the USA) send representatives of all ethnic groups and get them together NOW. Hold it at a racetrack that seats 150,000 or more people. If we're talking 350,000 people then have two sessions or something. You'd probably need 3 sessions.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Sep 20, 2016 -> 11:42 AM) Which of those arguments do you disagree with? People should still go to every game and give that family more money for a poor product? People should continue to pretend like Ditka and the 85 Bears were the recent past? They shouldn't blow the entire franchise up and start from square one? I mean, to some extent they are on this road already, I realize that. I'm saying pick up the pace and really blow it up. There's no reason to have Jeffrey on the roster. It's a valuable chip. Get something for him before it's too late. Jeffery cannot be traded while he's on the franchise tag. They should still re-sign Jeffery. Letting 26 year old #1 WRs walk out the door is bad business.