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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Sep 20, 2016 -> 08:34 AM) That might of been Houston's last snap as a Bear. That's the same knee he tore his ACL on two years ago and it's likely he tore it again. I think it's the other knee actually but yeah they'll cut him this offseason.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 20, 2016 -> 07:29 AM) Not if they're terrible? Well yeah. If Cutler is out for an extended period, I don't see a win on the schedule in any of those games. If Cutler is somehow back though, they won't be bad enough to pick top 3 for one of the QB's. Would you definitely take Deshaun Watson over a sure thing defensive stud anyway though? I'm not sure I would. Kizer is going #1.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 09:53 PM) Cespedes, Encarnacion, Bautista, Trumbo, Fowler, Desmond, & Reddick. Reddick is probably the only one that won't cost a draft pick to sign. Pass.

QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 11:20 PM) That plan of action does sound good though...a rookie QB and depth. That and maybe a Jeffery departure to really rebuild may be what they need. Look at the roster turnover the Eagles had as an example. The Eagles really aren't very good though. They just traded 6 picks for their franchise QB which is the cost. If the Bears want a Franchise QB, mortgaging a bunch of picks is what they have to do.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 12:38 PM) I agree with you. Pitching in pressureless meaningless games just isn't important and I'm not giving the Cy Young or MVP to someone who racked up the stats on a garbage team (unless they are that much better than the competition). So Trout shouldn't be the MVP?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 01:21 PM) I still love Jesse after watching that. I mean I think Colin is being disrespectful to the military with his stance of kneeling during the anthem when everybody else pretty much is being respectful. Jesse says he fought to give guys like Colin the right to protest. That's fine. I can accept that. I still think the way he's protesting is bulls*** but I can accept Jesse's points. Jesse did say, "Whether I agree with what he did is irrelevant." Yeah, I guess so. Like I said, Colin pretty much made a mockery of doing the anthem at sporting events. And the Gabby Douglas thing was so silly that people were mad at her. So as of today I think we should get rid of the anthem at sporting events. Because of Colin, it's kinda finally jumped the shark. Our country is way too divided to play a "National Anthem" at sporting events. Just kill it now and let us all continue to hate each other. That's what we seem to do best as a country. LOL Keith said this same thing to you last week and you completely ignored the post.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 08:03 PM) What channel? CBS? It's like on Investigative Discovery Channel. If you have Comcast, go to search and type in Jonbenet Ramsey. It will pop up. It's 3 hour long episodes.

QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ Sep 16, 2016 -> 07:46 AM) Let me ask you all this. Is there, or should there be "Chicago fans," where people are loyal to one team but cheer for the other in the postseason if their team is not there? And, if your wife/girlfriend/family/friends are Cubs fans or have ties to being Cubs fans, how would you approach what is about to happen this October? My approach right now is to just not address it and say they are having a hell of the season. I wish them well but I am not actively cheering for or against them. I really can't see anyone but the Nationals having a legit shot beating the Northsiders in the postseason. I don't root for or against them. A lot of people I know would be really happy if they won a world series. I don't watch Cubs games. The playoffs are a b**** though and variance trumps everything. Any of the 8 teams could win the whole thing because it's just so damn random.

Mark: There will likely be 3 White Sox players from the June draft on your next 100, right? Klaw: Wrong. Nate: Keith, I was wondering if you have had any interaction with Nick Hostetler. What is your opinion of him as a scout? Do you foresee better scouting/drafting with Nick and Rick in charge of the operation for the White Sox? Klaw: I have and I think his first draft went extremely well. I thought I saw some subtle shifts in philosophy that already seem to be paying off Jesse: Does Alec Hansen have a ceiling of a # 1? Klaw: I think a #2. I didn’t think any college arm in this draft had #1 potential. Mark: Was Keon Barnum much of a prospect heading into his draft year? Wth happened to this guy?? Klaw: He was not a top 100 prospect for me. I saw a poor 1b with no plan at the plate.

QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 11:45 AM) I saw the A&E special and the Dateline last weekend. I think the mom did it for some reason. Whether the dad knew and has kept it quiet, no clue, but I'm pretty convinced Patsy did it. Yeah I feel the same way. The brother is so weird though. I think he's doing another Dr. Phil interview soon.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) I forgot all about this, but I want to see it. Is it worth it? Yeah it's pretty good and they are only an hour each. Can knock it out in one night if you have the time.

I've been watching the 3 part series on Jonbenet Ramsey. It's pretty well done. I was 11 years old when that happened and I remember it but forgot many of the details.

Season 3 of Bloodline will be the last on Netflix: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed...x-season-928743

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 10:03 PM) Nice. I would guess the young guys will be the key to whether we can make a run for the Cup. They have some highly regarded guys like Nick Schmaltz and Michael Kempny. Come playoff time though, it's about your stars being great. It's nice to have a team that's always at least in contention. I think Vegas has the Hawks with the 2nd highest odds to win the cup.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 12:22 PM) I already laid it out in other threads but I will repeat again here. Here's the lineup that I believe is absolutely a contender. I have already stated that it will cost the White Sox an additional $15-20MM in payroll compared to this season but if JR is truly going for it then these are the types of moves required to make the next step. Projected lineup using their 2016 statistics: 1. Fowler CF (833 OPS, wRC+ 127) 2. Eaton RF (798 OPS, wRC+ 116) 3. Abreu 1B/DH (832 OPS, wRC+ 119) 4. Cabrera LF (780 OPS, wRC+ 107) 5. Frazier 3B (749 OPS, wRC+ 96) 6. Moreland DH/1B (763 OPS, wRC+ 97) 7. Wieters C (701 OPS, wRC+ 84) 8. Lawrie 2B (723 OPS, wRC+ 91) / Saladino 2B (731 OPS, wRC+ 93) 9. Anderson SS (729 OPS, wRC+ 92) You have 1 very good hitter, 2 good hitters, 1 slightly above average hitter, 2 average hitters, 2 slightly below average hitters, and 1 below average hitter. I see no reason why that is anything less than a league average offense. Combine that with 4 starters carrying an ERA under 4, including 2 guys just over 3, and all you need from the #5 starter is a mid to upper 4 ERA rather than the close to 8 they have gotten this season. I also expect a bullpen of Robertson, Jennings, Jones, Putnam, Petricka, Burdi, and ? via trade or FA to be improved from this season. Giving up a top 12-15 draft pick to sign Dexter Fowler doesn't make any sense.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 08:59 AM) How many home games does Sale pitch per year? 15? Are there a substantial amount of people that ONLY attend because Sale is pitching? Maybe some, but I have a hard time believing it's a material amount given how abysmal attendance is anyways. I usually try to see Sale, Q, or Rodon when I go. Sale pitching is definitely an extra incentive for me but it's not a deal breaker.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 09:36 PM) For a playoff only fan ... will the Hawks be good this year? What happened to them in the offseason? They have Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, Panarin, Hossa, and Crawford. With those guys they will be in contention for a cup every year. So yes, they'll be good. The West is very good though and Hawks have a lot of new guys and young players that will play this year.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 04:40 AM) From a fWAR perspective, if we want to be a playoff team, we need at least 36 WAR's (~18 offense, 14 starting pitching and 4 bullpen, according to 2015 and 2016 numbers), . Here's how the potential returning players for 2017 could fare: Offense: C - Navaez/whoever the starter is 0.5 WAR 1B - TBD 2B - Saladino - 1.5 WAR 3B - Frazier - 2.5 WAR (if BABIP theory is true) SS - Anderson - 3 WAR (projecting growth in year 2) LF - Melky - 1.2 WAR CF - TBD RF - Eaton - 4.5 WAR DH - Abreu - 2.5 WAR (time to move him DH) Bench - 0.3 WAR Total minus TBD - 16 WAR Ideally we'd move Abreu to DH to hide his shortcomings defensively, however, I do not think the Sox would end up doing that, so whoever they bring in as DH and Abreu would combine to total of 2.5 WAR. We'd need a 2 WAR CF (Ideally 3-4 WAR, if the other players do not meet their projections) to make the lineup at least playoff caliber. So someone like Blackmon, Cespedes, or Inciarte (would make the OF defense much better) would be ideal. Starting Pitchers 1. Sale - 5 WAR (easily 6+) 2. Quintana - 5 WAR 3. Rodon - 3.5 WAR (is 2017 his breakout year?) 4. Shields 0 WAR (could be much worse, please release him) 5. Gonzalez - 1.5 WAR Total 14 WAR Our 1-2 is top notch. Rodon is teasing us in second half again and could put it together next year. Gonzalez is better than expected and should hold his own as number 5. Shields killed us this year, we must release him (though I don't see it happening). If we could get a reliable #4 (~2-3 WAR), this is comfortably a playoff quality rotation. But I'm doubtful we could do anything to improve, and I do not think Fulmer/Burdi will be the answer in 2017. Bullpen 2016 =3.2 WAR, could finish ~3.5. Need more pieces in 2017 But WAR does not factor in how many blown opportunities we had as a team. In a perfect world, we need a more consistent closer (however I think Robertson sticks around, and I do not want to see Jones closing). We definitely need another quality lefty, and another solid contributor. Pencilling in at the moment as Robertson, Jones, LHP FA signing, Jennings, Ynoa, FA Signing or Juan Minaya (I think he has potential) In summary, we have the pieces, should be close to a 30 WAR team, but would need the following to be a contender in 2017: - Another core player, preferably a high end CF - A quality DH - A quality lefty out of the pen - Shields to not wet the bed every time he starts . If Hanh/KW wants to go all in, we need to move Abreu to DH, both the eye test and advance stats tell us he hurts on the field more than he helps. We also need to move Robertson off the closer role and get ourselves a more consistent and reliable closer. To me these two are long shot but are must moves, otherwise we will hang around the WC for much of the year and end up missing by a few games. I don't see any reasonable way in which they go for it again. It could be a typical White Sox offseason by signing (Jason Castro, Adam Lind, and Peter Bourjos) but does that really get you anywhere? They can't sign any free agents with a QO attached because they can't afford to give up 1st round picks. They also don't have the prospects (and can't afford to deal the excess it would take) to acquire a real difference maker in a trade. I've fought against it for a long time but the only logical way to go about this offseason is by trading Sale for a haul of prospects and then trading Frazier, Melky, and Robertson as well. Eaton, Q, and Abreu are a little trickier with the years of control though. I don't think they'll be good enough in the next 2 years to win with Chris Sale so this offseason with 3 years of control is probably the most opportune time to cash in that asset. I just don't see the adding route. Sale, Q, and Rodon have been great recently and this team still struggles far too often. I think a step back is necessary and I think it's coming.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 08:27 PM) Not at all actually, thanks for asking. I'll go to the typical three games I make it to when I make my three typical visits to Chicago next summer. I can tell you that number won't be lower if Sale is, in fact, traded. Now how about you, Dick? More games next year or fewer if Sale is traded? Going to pull back on that season ticket package if they trade Sale? According to the thinking of some, that is pretty much the inevitable outcome. I went to about 10 games this year. I usually go about 8-10 times. I haven't gone lately because I coach HS football but if they were in the race I would have found more time to go. I'll probably go to the same amount of games with Sale or without next year unless they are in the race late in the season. If they are somehow, I'll find my way to more games.

It's amazing the amount of people that in here clamoring for a .750 .OPS player. He's fine. Not special by any means though and would be best suited in a utility role.

Theres a reason why I didn't include pitching wins when I listed those 5 candidates

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 12:16 PM) Not at all. Pitching in important games should be more important than meaningless ones. It is kind of common sense to me. You are penalizing guys for something beyond their control though.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 11:15 AM) Going back to Andre Dawson in 1987 there's always been that debate that the Cy and MVP have to come from playoff contending teams unless the statistical dominance over the field is completely overwhelming voters have no choice. Sale winning over a Red Sox pitcher or even Verlander would be pretty shocking. The only thing more shocking would be Q. There shouldn't be though. It's about most valuable in general. Not most valuable on a good team. Rick Porcello isn't having as good of a season as Chris Sale or Corey Kluber. Hell, if Jose Quintana were on Boston he'd likely be the overwhelming Cy Young favorite because he'd be hovering around 20 wins as well. If Porcello wins this award, we really should stop giving it out.

Who should win? Player A: 193.2 IP, 3.21 ERA, 3.46 FIP, 4.3 fWAR Player B: 197.2 IP, 3.05 ERA, 3.14 FIP, 5 fWAR Player C: 201.2 IP, 3.03 ERA, 3.43 FIP, 4.8 fWAR Player D: 186.2 IP, 3.04 ERA, 3.23 FIP, 5 fWAR Player E: 184 IP, 3.13 ERA, 3.41 FIP, 4.6 fWAR

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 10:28 AM) +1 Jake Peter may come up next year and be a solid utility type as well.