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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2016 -> 01:52 PM) sec159 row 9 I'll be near

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 15, 2016 -> 12:49 PM) me2. I'll be there as well. Section 161.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2016 -> 10:04 AM) A Hall of Fame pitcher just publicly posted his mechanical flaw. People can either go with that, or they can go with their idea that in the matter of 3 starts James Shields has completely forgotten how to pitch. Bruce Levine was on with Mully and Hanley this morning and said in the 3rd inning that a team executive came down after identifying a mechanical issue. They feel like he's tipping his pitches. Shields and Cooper have begun to work on it apparently.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 15, 2016 -> 06:48 AM) This is going to be Edwin Jackson/Daniel Hudson all over again, isn't it? No. The Sox thought Daniel Hudson was going to get hurt and traded him. The problem is, they could have traded him for something better (even though EJax was very good here). Erik Johnson had pretty much no value.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 08:31 PM) So what's that like 200k saved? Alex Call should be way under and I think Fisher will be under as well.

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Dan Plesac said that the Cubs should trade Schwarber for Andrew Miller. That would be stupid. There's no way Theo does that. Schwarber could headline a package for a frontline starter. Why would they deal him for a 30+ year old reliever?

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 08:41 AM) As much as I wanted to see him up here, I dont think there is any way you can keep running Coats out there. He is devoid of any approach at all and you are just throwing away those ABs. Im not sure where the relief is going to be coming from as there isn't really any reasonable replacements in the minors. If Engel was in AAA, I'd maybe think about giving him a chance, but he's too far away still. If Im Rick Hahn, Im looking to upgrade 3 areas: RP, DH, and CF. I think this team can stick around long enough to wait for Burdi to come up and contribute, so I'd put less priority on RP. DH has been a black hole of awful and is the most immediate area of need. I hate to even say it, but Jay Bruce would look really good on this team right now....if he never had to field again. His defensive metrics make Avi's look decent. If his price is too steep, then I go ask the Rays about the price on Pearce. He is absolutely mashing this season and allows you a lot of flexibility as a franchise. Im not sure there is a quick solution to our CF problems, there isn't a lot out there right now that would be better than just moving Eaton back over. Jon Jay? Billy Hamilton? Yep. Jay Bruce, Jon Jay, and Will Smith would be awesome.

Rosenthal's piece today said that the White Sox have always loved Jonathan Lucroy but that they probably don't have enough in their system to get it done.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 02:31 PM) Don't forget the Cubs as they end up winning the Samardzija trade getting Russell. I'm fine with Ynoa and Burdi and taking the chance of Shark that one year. My post had nothing to do with the Cubs

QUOTE (shipps @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) Thibs is not giving up Wiggins. They are offering the 5th pick and I am sure they anticipate having to throw in a sweetener like Levine and a future pick for it to possibly be enough for the Bulls FO to take the bait. They aren't getting Jimmy Butler then. I don't think Kris Dunn, Zach LaVine, and Dieng is enough. Bulls should hold out for Wiggins or not deal him to Minnesota. How badly does Tom want him? Boston can probably top Minnesota's offer. I'm definitely on board with dealing him and remaking the roster. I also love Dunn. I just don't think that's enough though. That Minnesota deal would allow them to make a run at Demar Derozan though.

QUOTE (QuickJones81 @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 03:48 PM) I understand all this. The Sox approach meant they ended up with less of a share than others, who had the same constraints, and used a different path to more talent in terms of volume of top rated players. So are we less efficient with our dollars, or top heavy, and how do we differ from the teams that have had the best success in the draft since the new system was put in play? I understand how we got to where we got to, but are we laggards in understanding how best to work this system like we are in the international market? Ithe seems like our approach is to put all of our money on the top players and gamble that they'll succeed while hoping one of the cheap buys is a steal. The problem is that the bonus pools at the top of the draft are way too high. That allowed Atlanta and Philadelphia to do what they did. Teams picking where the White Sox are picking don't have that luxury. They could have taken Lux at 10 and signed him for $2 million and someone else at #26 and signed them for $1 million and theoretically landed more players from the top 200. More isn't always better though.

QUOTE (QuickJones81 @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 11:40 AM) I don't think I necessarily agree. If we are taking less than our share of the top 200 or 500 that means somebody is getting more than their share. If they can do it, why can't we? It's about pool $$. The Sox had like $9.5 million to spend on the draft. Their 1st pick is taking the full $3.3 million allotted, Burdi is probably close to the $2.2 million slot amount there and I would imagine that Hansen is slot as well. You can't just take the BPA on the board each time because guys wouldn't necessarily sign. For example, they took Michael Hickman in round 13. If he's over $100,000 he counts against their overall draft pool. They took 3-4 guys that will be under slot to save some $$ to sign Hickman and probably Ian Hamilton. It has t be done this way. If they took Hickman in round 7 and he doesn't sign, they don't get the player and they lose the ability to spend the money for that allocated slot.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 11:21 AM) Ynoa called up Former top International Prospect and part of Shark trade. That deal ended up being: Semien, Phegley, Ravelo, and Bassitt for 1 year of Samardzija, Michael Ynoa, and RHP Zach Burdi.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 11:06 AM) I know Coats is better than the 3-pitch, 3-swings at balls, strikeout hitter he showed, but I'd rather give Bourgeios a chance if Coats keeps this up I'd just leave Coats up, send Shuck down, and recall Bourgeios.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 09:39 AM) Trading Butler for anything other than a top 2 pick in this draft is dumb, even if you get a guy like Wiggins. Why would you trade a franchise player (even a lower end one) for a couple of prospects that percentages say will never pan out? All but about 5 teams in the league continue searching for an all-star quality player to build their team around. The Bulls have one. It would be moronic to let that go. Because Jimmy Butler can't be the best player on a championship team. I'd rather roll with Wiggins and Dunn and the cap relief. I obviously wouldn't do it without Wiggins involved though.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 09:08 AM) I think part of this is I think both are susceptible to the HR so obviously Johnson will have benefit of pitching in betters park and I would have guessed that Shields would have a better 2016 than Johnson with Johnson really being the better value in the following years (and obviously Sox made this move with 2016 top of mind, although, given they were taking on some extra years, I presume they also contemplated such and presumed Shields will still be a passable 4th / 5th in those years). I will continue to say, they should have used the cash and prospects to fill bigger holes, but that is just me. That said, I hope Shields kicks ass for the Sox. I get what you mean. He obviously has a mechanical issue though. He's not an ace anymore but he's not this bad.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 08:56 AM) I was never a fan of the trade, but Shields is not as bad as these most recent two starts. He's trending the wrong direction but he didn't just become the worst pitcher in baseball overnight. That said, I do think if given the shot in San Diego, Johnson, will end up putting up better numbers over the next three years than Shields. Maybe so. I do not believe that Erik Johnson would have put up better numbers here than Shields will though.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 07:53 AM) Except it seems Robin is already reaching the end of his rope on trusting Coats...as he's already starting Avi over him defensively and also pulled him from the game after he was struggling mightily just to make contact, let alone put a ball into play. I'll go with Pearce of the Rays as the best possible add right now...for the time being, and also future strengthening of our overall depth/bench. The way he's going right now, though, he would be a full-time line-up presence. I truly think as dumb as it sounds, that Avi is being showcased somehow. Ventura would give him multiple days off in a row at DH. Now he plays every day in the OF with a better defender on the bench. It really doesn't make any sense.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 12:11 AM) They'll never trade Wiggins. Too risky that he's the next big thing. Trade will never get done cause Bulls will demand Wiggins be included IMO. Probably not but Thibs isn't married to Wiggins. Wiggins and #5 gets it done for me. I'm not sure Kris Dunn, Zach LaVine, and Dieng is enough for Butler.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 07:42 AM) Get an OF and get one soon. Can't keep playing Avi in RF. They don't have to though. They can just play Coats in RF

User Actions Follow Pedro MartinezVerified account ‏@45PedroMartinez I hope Shields realizes he's flying open and his head is too far away from his release point. He needs to work on his mechanics.

User Actions Follow Pedro MartinezVerified account ‏@45PedroMartinez I hope Shields realizes he's flying open and his head is too far away from his release point. He needs to work on his mechanics.

I'm not the biggest Jimmy Butler fan and would be on board with dealing him. Minnesota can't get it done without Wiggins though. Not in this draft. #5, Lavine, and Dieng doesn't get it done. Butler is too good.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 05:50 PM) Sox had 7 of the first 200 picks and 17 of the first 500 picks. Reliever in the 11th round - agree it's great. Reliever in round 1 - the essence of the problem with this front office. But he's a good player. If they can sign all of these guys, it should be a productive draft. It's unrealistic to take the best player in every round though. You know that.