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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 03:29 PM) team option, i think he will get a 500K buyout....he's GONE But he won't be here. How much is the option for? A team trading him could look at him as a guy that they also get next year.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 03:14 PM) Risking 15 mil a year on Ellsbury for 5 years wouldn't be the worse move. Sure would be a hell of a whole lot better than spending that type of money on B.J. Upton. However, I do agree that some team is gonna spend stupid money on him. As another poster put it, he likely get paid more than what he can earn. I think Ellsbury ends up in Seattle. 6 years $100 million.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 03:16 PM) Fine, the simplest argument of all. Is there ANYONE besides Braves' fans and Greg Walker who are going to tune in specifically to watch Freddie Freeman get one AB and maybe 2-3 innings on the field? This I actually agree with. It's an exhibition game. Puig should be there. Maybe if every team did not get a damn representative then they'd both go. Either way it's not the end of the world. It's a dumbass All Star Game that in my opinion was made irrelevant as soon as interleague play started.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 02:56 PM) Bryce Brentz please. Probably a lot more realistic than Bradley. He's got big time power and can take over for Rios if he's traded. Brentz would be a nice get. QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 02:57 PM) I could see the Sox interested in Brandon Workman. He was someone they were linked with when he was available in the draft. I believe Workman was just called up to big leagues. Showcasing?

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 03:12 PM) https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN/status/355055545486544896 "price for Thornton is steep". Um, ok. I tweeted him and asked about that. Hayes responded to me that Thornton has an option for next year. I thought he was free at year's end.

Nick Cafardo ‏@nickcafardo 10m The Red Sox are looking everywhere for relief. Interested in White Sox trio Addison Reed, Matt Thornton and Matt Lindstrom.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 01:39 PM) I still hate Buddy Bell, and listening to that interview of 22 minutes made it even worse. I also hate Braves and Blue Jays fans, for all the collusion going on with All-Star votes this week. Didn't the Sox team up with LA or SF one year to get one of their guys in the game? I think they did.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 01:16 PM) Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 3m The White Sox have been asking for major-league ready or near-ready prospects in their trade talks. They may not get a very good deal then. This is disappointing in my opinion. It also says that they are going to be trying to compete pretty close to immediately. If the best package offered is based around guys from A ball that project as better players than the near ready players you are asking for, I hope they will accept the better deal rather than getting close to the majors guys. If they hope to accomplish things this way then Jerry better be ready to up the player to about $130 million next year.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 04:29 PM) Trading Santiago would be just awful. I like Santiago quite a bit. However, if they got a cost controlled offensive player/offensive players that would be starters for years to come, you'd have to consider it.

Mark Gonzalez just tweeted that Hahn and Ventura were in a closed door meeting. I posted this here because there is no catch all thread haha. Obviously, they could be meeting for any reason but this time of year it could be for many different reasons.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 03:11 PM) I realize we aren't competing this year. But Rios still has another year. Even if I wish they would, the Sox arent going into complete firesale mode. I am not so sure anymore. Obviously, the Sox have pitching and that is different than most teams that have to blow it up. I think Hahn has complete autonomy in this and knows that he cannot continue to patch it together. Crain and Thornton will definitely go. Anyone else that he can get value for I believe will be gone as well. He is not going to trade players under contract for a bad deal because that would be stupid but i do believe that everyone is truly available.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 02:51 PM) I see the Pirates organization as one trying to emulate the Rays. When have the Rays, since 2008, made a big midseason move? This is somewhat true. They want to keep their monster prospects which is smart. However, their system is so good that they could afford to give lower tiered guys in their system that would really help the White Sox. I was just in Pittsburgh for a week and the city is buzzing. They need to make the playoffs. Should they mortgage their long term future to do so? Absolutely not. But for an Alex Rios, who would be a huge upgrade for them, they would not have to mortgage their future.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 01:45 PM) True, although all reports have pointed to Stanton not being moved until the offseason. You never know, of course, but it seems that will most likely be the case. Also, they could get Rios without giving up Taillon/Cole, which I think they will be very inclined to do. I don't think they want to pay up for Stanton. Pirates do have the lowest RF .ops in the National League though. There system is very deep. I don't think that they want to deal their top guys. Cole, Taillon, OF Gregory Polanco, and probably not even Luis Heredia RHP. I really like SS Alen Hanson. He's a top 50 prospect in baseball. They also have Josh Bell. Bell was highly regarded and a very tough sign out of HS. With a future OF of Polanco, McCutchen, and Marte, Bell is expendable but I am not sure if they'd give him for Rios. Sox were also supposedly high on Texas Tech OF Barrett Barnes last year in the draft and Pirates have him as well. If the Sox could get Jose Tabata and Hanson I would make the trade in a second. I am just not sure how much Pittsburgh wants to deal.

Not sure if anyone saw this tweet from Scot Gregor last night but it mentions that Pirates scout was in the house. He was speculating that it could be for Rios but I think it could also be for bullpen help or Ramirez. Scot Gregor ‏@scotgregor 17h Pirates have a scout here tonight, and don't think he's looking for pitching. #rios

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 11:28 AM) Jobs should be on the line tonight. If you go 0-4 against the Cubs and swept at home, I'm sorry, but in this day and age Robin and his whole staff except Baines should be fired. If I was Reinsdorf and the owners I would take it as a personal slap in the face. I know sports are different, but these guys are getting paid good money and to lose 4 to the Cubs w/out one win is the Sox players laughing at the bosses and stealing money. I know a lot of you don't care about the Cub series but some innocent fans, the little kids who fight over Sox/Cubs at school, do care. Some people do care and the Sox owe it to everybody to win one fricking game against one of the worst teams in baseball. Really? I'll paint you a scenario here. Santiago and Garza both pitch 8 shutout innings. 3 hits scattered for each team. Jones/Thornton/Whoever enters game in the 9th inning. Cubs hit a HR. So unless the Sox score 2 in the 9th all of the coaches except Harold Baines should be fired? You are a special man.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 04:41 PM) Holding onto Alexei much longer is equally risky. I'm not holding my breath about Ramirez being a totally different player again after redesigning spring training for the Sox again...although, in fairness, not resting him until this last has to be at least one of the top 2-3 factors in his defense performance. And he has improved his stolen base numbers/aggressiveness. He is very good defensively but the .627 ops doesn't do much for me honestly. If you can get something for Ramirez you do it.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 03:14 PM) I still say Hawkins should not be close to #1 ranking. That does not mean I am not pulling for him -- I am. But a #1 prospect should be a very good baseball player whereever he is playing. If he were at Kanny instead of W-S, would his numbers be as good as Micah Johnson's? I doubt it. He is struggling to hit .200 and strikes out over 50% of the time. Those facts should preclude him from that high of a ranking. He is not even close to Phegley. Do you think Hawkins could hit .316 in AAA? No. Is he as good a hitter as Ravelo or Johnson? No. And as far as Zapata goes, can't we wait for him to play a few games somewhere? If he is just 16, that means he is 4 years removed from Little League. Listing Hawkins as #1 reminds me of Joe Borchard. Almost everyone at ST thought he was #1 long after he showed be was not big league quality. If he repeats at High A next year and handles it, I'll be on his bandwagon, too. Not now. Hawkins is 19 though still. Micah Johnson is 22 in A ball. Phegley is 25 now in the majors. It was expected that Hawkins will be in the majors around the age of 22. Going to his first All Star Game when he is Phegley's age. It's a bad comparison. Your concerns are valid though. Just because Hawkins at age 19 couldn't hit .316 in AAA does not mean he is a worse prospect than Phegley is.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 02:12 PM) Wow, I had no idea Josh Donaldson was traded by the Cubs for Harden (along with 3 other players, at the time, Gallagher being the centerpiece). Ooops. They could use a better 3B than Luis Valbuena, haha. That was a good deal at the time though. Josh Donaldson is 27 years old and had two very bad years in the A's system. Cubs were trying to win a World Series that year. And I believe Harden was 5-1 down the stretch with an era under 3

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 02:04 PM) the cardinals have like 80 bajillion awesome prospects they can't find room for - let's find a way to snag matt adams. ramirez/peavy/reed for wacha/adams boom It would be nice wouldn't it. Even a guy like Kolten Wong. Wong is knocking on the door but they have Carpenter. Being a Cardinals fan would be awesome man.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 01:21 PM) I call BS. Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 4m in big switch, #cubs now talking about signing Matt Garza to long-term deal. http://cbsprt.co/18IN1sL I agree. They don't want to sign him I don't think. Somehow trying to drive up the market or cost for him with this news.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 6, 2013 -> 01:28 PM) Weren't there some last minute PED's or steroids or injury/velocity concerns with Gray? A lot of scouts said there was actually a better pitcher on Oklahoma, but that Gray had the better tools/physical package. He was starting to fall back those last 2-3 weeks before the draft. Follow Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB IMHO fact that Eloy hasn't signed is an indication #Cubs not ignoring potential penalties, @davidrelliott. He hasn't signed for a reason. Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB 12m #Cubs have spent $3,470,000 on SS Gleyber Torres ($1.7M), RHP Erling Moreno ($650K), RHP Jefferson Mejia ($850K) catcher Johan Matos ($270K) Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB 12m EJ expects to sign for $2.8M & adding high-$ prospect like Tseng could put #Cubs in max-penalty even if trade for max-slot $ allowed ($1.3M). Those are Jesse Sanchez's last two tweets about Cubs bonus $$.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 12:38 PM) Seems that the theo and jed spending spree is not as free wheeling as originally thought. Well they aren't the Dodgers. However, I bet they acquire more slot money and it allows them to sign Jimenez. They are also in on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez. The next big pitcher out of Cuba.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 08:41 AM) Please don't make Courtney Hawkins #1. Why? Because of his bad year? Out of all the players in the system, he still has the best chance to become a star player. Therefore, he is the #1 prospect in the system. Erik Johnson is good but he will be a #3 starter most likely at the ML level. Hawkins may fail. Hawkins also "could" become an All Star RF perennially. He stays at #1.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 7, 2013 -> 08:32 PM) I'm not arguing that hanging on to Rios is a good idea. I'm arguing that trading him for essentially Josh Fields' left handed brother is a terrible idea. If the best offer you get for Rios and his contract is Travis Snider, you might as well just hold onto to Rios and hope that either in the offseason or next deadline you get something a little more valuable. This is correct. They don't have to trade Rios. If they don't get a good deal in return, I would just hang onto him. Same goes for Peavy.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 7, 2013 -> 08:23 PM) I'd love to stick LoMo on this team. The Marlins might be dumb enough to do it, too. Who knows. I agree. Morrison would have to go to 1B though. He has not hit very well in his career as an OF.