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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:47 PM) Id just be fine with a guy like Steve Kerr or Craig Hodges to be honest. Steve Kerr and Craig Hodges don't get you past LEBRON JAMES though!! Mike Dunleavy is a better player than Steve Kerr ever was. The Bulls need a 2nd star that isn't Noah or Deng. The problem is that Luol Deng makes way too much money. He's a good player. He can't be the 2nd best player on a championship team though. If you look at the league as a whole it's star players making good money, players on rookie deals, and vet minimum guys. At least that is what the good teams are doing. That's the model for the future with the new CBA. The Bulls have too much $$ locked in to good but not great players. The Bulls are no doubt in my mind the 2nd best team in the East. However, they do not have enough to beat Miami when Miami wants to play.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:35 PM) If I'm Hahn, I'm asking Jerry for permission to make decisions only based on baseball and not finance. We are not in dire straits with money, lots is coming off the books no matter what we do. This is especially pertinent with Dunn. If we agree that Adam Dunn today is no worse than the guy we've seen for the past two seasons (low, low average but 40 HRs and 100 RBI pace of production), then there should be a nice return in trade. Even if a trade partner this year agrees that Dunn has turned a corner and can be counted on to hit a bunch of homers, I highly doubt we can get enough of a return in baseball terms to make the trade make sense -- because, of course, the other team will leverage the remaining year on his contract as a big risk. On the other hand, imagine Dunn is on a 40+ HR pace at the All-Star break next year. We are either competing due in part to his production (this would assume a couple FA signings and good luck) or...he suddenly has tremendous trade value because his contract no longer carries risk. Likewise, we would have the leverage of potentially getting a draft pick from him if he walks in FA in that scenario. In the worst case, we pay him bad money. We'll have saved so much already, though, that to us (you know, fans that don't fund this payroll) there is no harm. You pay him in hopes of getting some great young baseball players in return. If you dump him now, you've saved money for sure. However, that money is EXTREMELY unlikely to become good baseball players since we are already likely to have 30-60 million dollars off the books by Opening Day next year. Another 15 probably isn't going to become yet another FA signing because I don't see us signing 4 players to big FA contracts in the same offseason because that's crazy. Didn't you learn anything earlier in the thread? Nobody will acquire Dunn because he will immediately make their team worse because he is a loser.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:42 PM) one comment i saw on Facebook: "why dont we encourage our young people to pursue their education?" sometimes i want fierce winds to take my computer and let it fly far far away Haha most of my friends that went to school with me to also become teachers are not working. I got lucky enough to find a teaching job. Most of them have not. People are morons.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 11:49 AM) The regular season does matter. A really nice first step in beating the Heat would be having home court advantage. That isn't something that you haphazardly not care about. A really nice first step in beating the Heat would be realizing that this core won't get it done. If you have 1 player that can create his own shot, you are not beating Miami anywhere. There is 1 player in the NBA that can shutdown Derrick Rose. Lebron is that player. The Bulls can tinker all they want with a "new bench mob" but until they get better players next to Rose they will not win a title.

Not sure if this has been posted yet but it's a good article about Micker Zapata. It also mentions their plans to sign 2-3 more guys. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...ws&c_id=cws

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 11:05 PM) Are you Dan Berstein? What inefficiency have they exploited here? They had the second largest bonus pool because their team sucked balls last year. That reason alone gives them an edge with the top players. It doesn't make Theo & Jed genuises. Why don't you do some research before you question me on this. I don't come on this site and just spout off nonsense. Nor am I a Cubs fan. Even with their 2nd largest bonus pool, they could not sign all of the guys that they wanted. They traded for more bonus pool money. It is something that not many other teams did. That is how they found loopholes and exploited the market. I would have liked it if the Sox did something like this.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 10:29 AM) They are 21 and 23 years old and are the Rays number 2 and 3 rated prospects. Also saved the Rays some money which is what they needed. You think that trade will help the cubs when they need talent in two years? The rays have not missed Garza and have two highly rated prospects to boot. The cubs are almost 50 games under .500 with Garza. True. It wasn't Theo and Jed that traded for Garza in the 1st place though. That trade is not on them.

QUOTE (balfanman @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 09:04 AM) I could be wrong, but I think that most here are overestimating the amount of activity that the Sox are going to be involved in the next few weeks. Im thinking that the F. O. very much sees this as a bad year and has every intention of contending next year. A rotation of Sale, Danks, Peavy, Quintana, and Santiago is pretty good and if they can get even a mediocre offense they should contend. Its possible they could really start unloading players, but unless they get a haul for someone, I really don't expect much more than Crain, Thornton and Lindstrom to be gone. Maybe Konerko as a favor if he is willing. As always JMHO. I disagree. I think Hahn knows exactly the battle that he is in for here. He knows that he needs to rebuild it with his type of players. Hahn is a smart guy and also knows about the fickle nature of the White Sox fanbase. Hahn may have the toughest job in baseball right now. If I had to guess I would say the following guys get moved: Rios, Thornton, Crain, Lindstrom, De Aza. Maybe even Alexei.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 09:19 PM) Mitigated somewhat by screwing up the Dempster deal, getting nothing for Marmol and really looking to be in trouble with the Edwin Jackson contract. I think they have done way more good than bad though. That contract was market value for Jackson. Dempster screwed up the deal not the Cubs.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 10:27 PM) mlbtraderumors stating that Cubs will sign Jimenez. Kinda shocking to see the top 3 guys on MLB.com list signed by the Chicago teams. It's a big move. The new draft rules really hurt the style of Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer. But when you hire those guys you do it because you trust that they will be able to find the new inefficiency in the market and exploit it at all costs. They have done so with these moves. Not all of these guys will pan out but when you invest this much on the top talent some of them are bound to hit.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 1, 2013 -> 02:44 PM) .800 OPS can kiss my ass if your batting .200 and striking out over 200 times. There is something telling when a player puts up his best seasons when a team is in last place, and when a team is in contention he's nowhere to be found. Some guys are winners and some guys are losers, and the fact Dunn has never appeared in one post season game, is very un-clutch and does most of his damage in non-pressure situations, I'm sorry, the guy is a loser on the baseball field. Again, if surrounded by the right people in the right situation, sure Dunn could be a productive player for a contender. But he is being paid to be the guy, and he's never been the guy with the white sox until this past June when the Sox fell into the laughingstock of the league. Also, I never once said he was the main reason. All I said there was something to be seen and it might be more than 100% coincidental and bad luck. This is one of the stupidest things I have ever read on this site. An .800 ops is an .800 ops. He is not being paid to be the guy either. He's being paid to hit a s***load of homers and walk a lot. Clutch is bulls*** by the way. It is a myth.

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QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 29, 2013 -> 03:41 PM) You're right, Greg. It's nice to have a really good draft pick, but the other costs of being that bad far outweigh that one reward. And don't get it wrong, the draft pick is the ONLY bonus to being bad. Everything else can be done with good teams or at least "transitional" ones...something like what the Indians have going on, for instance. Not for long term success though. If the White Sox aren't good, nobody is going. If the Sox don't make the playoffs then I want a top 5 pick in each round. There is no reason to be mediocre. Especially with this fan base. Things I am looking forward to this year: Selling off parts, Erik Johnson starts, Trayce Thompson steadily turning into a prospect, and finishing with a top 4-5 draft pick. That's it. Those of you who are angry because you have to spend your "couch time" watching a horrible team are not thinking about what's best for this franchise at this particular time.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jun 29, 2013 -> 03:01 PM) Why would the Giants create another hole by trading Belt? Why would you guys want a guy who doesn't hit for power at first base? Isn't this the same board that writes Ravelo off as a prospect because of his lack of power? Yeah I agree. Rios and Peavy better net you a package that is worth making the deal. Peavy and Alex could both go in the offseason still. SF is not a good fit. They don't have many offensive prospects as most have elaborated. Also, didn't Peavy play for Bochy in San Diego?

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 27, 2013 -> 07:01 PM) I don't follow other sports this closely, but I'm pretty sure everyone thinks he's a moron. I remember him going on and on during the NBA super summer free agency period about how he'd rather have Wade over LeBron. Really? Yeah this never happened. I listen to that show almost every day. He is an arrogant douche most of the time but at least he's honest and doesn't have to use the spin of Disney and ESPN. Bernstein is infatuated with Lebron. Always has been. He never wanted anyone on the Bulls more than Lebron.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 03:41 PM) Reed has a nice track record closing out games. Castellanos has a blank resume with no past experience. If I'm Hahn, I'm asking for more to insulate against a total bust. Huh? Nick Castellanos is going to hit in the big leagues and play 3rd base. Addison Reed is a relief pitcher. Are you kidding? If the Tigers offered us Castellanos for anyone on our roster other than Sale, I'd personally drive that player to Detroit.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2013 -> 04:37 PM) If relievers are as easy to replace as you say, no one is going to ne willing to give up much for one in a trade. But any move that makes the team better you make, including Sale. If the argument is you don't need a closer during a rebuild, you certainly don't need a ticking time bomb making meaningless starts. So that would mean Sale has to go. I never said you didn't need a closer during a rebuild. Again, you are hearing what you want to hear. I said I would trade Reed if they got what they perceived as value in return. You'd be an idiot not to trade anyone if you thought your chances of winning a world series became greater upon making the deal. That's all I was saying. Would I trade Reed for a couple of High A pitching prospects with potential? No. I would absolutely trade him for a bat or two though that Rick Hahn felt could be apart of the team's long term future. I would entertain trading Sale as well. Once I saw the offers, I would most likely turn them all down though. There are very few absolute untouchables in sports. Everyone has a price. Whether or not that price is realistic is another story though.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2013 -> 09:19 AM) Trading away good, young ,cheap players for prospects,is a terrible way to rebuild. I guess people around here really like guys like Nestor Molina and Simon Castro. Personally, unless the Sox see some sort of injury about to happen, guys like Reed are guys I would love to keep around. Detroit, where money is no problem, would love to have Reed, and your baseless claim of his averageness, closing out games. Bullpens are a crapshoot, but the guys you can count on every year are pretty valuable. Saying there is no reason to hang on to him is ridiculous. Obviously nobody is advocating dumping Reed for Nestor Molina or Simon Castro. If that's all you get back then you wouldn't make the trade. But let's say for example, Addison Reed nets you a guy like Matt Adams or Nick Castellanos. You would have to make that trade. He is a f***ing relief pitcher. Those guys are much much more valuable. You couldn't get either of those guys or a guy similar for Reed though so it is irrelevant. They don't have to trade Addison Reed. He's not a guy that you must keep either though. If there's an offer that "makes the team better" you make it. Guys like Reed can be replaced.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 23, 2013 -> 12:56 PM) NO NO NO. Sanchez MIGHT be more like another version of Escobar, but no way should we give them Thompson when he's looking like the most likeliest to be a starter for us in the next 2 years as far as outfielders go. It would be like when Michael Morse was the throw-in with the Reed/Olivo trade...Thompson, if he figures it out, maybe it won't happen until 4-5 years from now, but he could be an extremely valuable player and we can't just trade him like that when he has a lot more valuable to our future Sox projected teams than he does to any contenders in the present. I really like Trayce. I'd trade him for Castellanos. Castellanos is going to be a 30 HR guy and could play 3B for us if not LF. I believe he is still a top 30 prospect in all of baseball. You aren't getting him for relievers most likely.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 22, 2013 -> 02:28 PM) Yep. Soler, Almora, Baez, and Bryant. Want. Alcantara and Vogelbach as well. I think Alcantara will be their 2B of the future. Vogelbach can really rake and will be DHing for someone in the future.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 22, 2013 -> 01:55 PM) You don't like having your best hitter with RISP and third leading HR hitter bunting? Haha well played, sir. I don't really want anyone bunting but I know that is extreme as well.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 21, 2013 -> 10:06 PM) For the love of god call up Micah Johnson already!!!! Is anyone worried that Micah Johnson is 22 years old in A ball? He will be 23 in December. Isn't he a guy that should be moving through the system fairly quickly?

Not sure anyone is watching but asking De Aza to sacrifice bunt with 2 guys on in the 3rd is f***ing stupid.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jun 21, 2013 -> 11:43 AM) Interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if these two got a look after the inevitable trades of Crain/Lindstrom/Thornton. I actually think we may see Santos Rodriguez, Daniel Webb, and Simon Castro up and pitching for the White Sox. Erik Johnson also got promoted to Charlotte today. I am the exception but I will go out and see these guys pitch in August or September.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 22, 2013 -> 10:33 AM) In a BA chat yesterday, they said the Cubs have the best collection of offensive prospects in all of baseball They absolutely do. They do not have much pitching though. I saw Pierce Johnson at Kane County last weekend and he looked like a solid future 2/3 starter. There is not much else though. They will be paying free agent pitchers or using their position players to acquire pitching.