Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 07:45 AM) There are no 1st round picks given up for signing QO Free Agents anymore. For example, if Dodgers signed Frazier to a 4/70 deal next year, they'd forfeit their 2nd and 5th round pick to do so. It's not clear which pick the White Sox would receive in return but it sounds like a 2nd for tax teams and 3rd for non-tax teams. This will spur trading because most teams would rather have the prospects than the 3rd round draft pick. So when they said "market size" they were referring to tax & non-tax teams? Obviously that would be a lot better for us. Also, you must have part of it backwards right? Wouldn't a tax team get a lesser pick for losing a QO free agent?

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 06:59 AM) I don't see how dodgers can justify giving away all of their cheap near MLB talent for Sale after this CBA. They should also want to win while they have Kershaw (and in his prime). He can opt-out of his contract after the 2018 season. Obviously they shouldn't completely gut their system, but they are so deep that can add Sale and still have a solid farm system. And the new CBA will not prevent them from spending $250M+ regularly. If anyone can afford huge luxury taxes it's the Dodgers with their $300/year TV deal.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 04:27 AM) That Trump University education keeps paying dividends, doesn't it? Go figure out the difference between owning a sports franchise and owning a business. That kindergarten horse manure doesn't hold up. Dude, you simply need to STFU and leave this board for good. Whether you're a Cubs fan or not, I think everyone here can agree you're condescending as f*** and bring a combative attitude to discussions. You constantly talk down to posters like you are better than them and can never admit when you're wrong (see post above). Do us all a favor and go away.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 02:17 AM) It probably means when Frazier signs elsewhere for $50M+, because he will. Instead of receiving a comp pick after the 1st RD, it may be a comp pick after the 2nd RD, or whatever they deem the "market size" penalty to be. Which means keeping Frazier and collecting the QO probably doesn't do much for us, as a pick in the early 30s is far more exciting than a pick in the late 60s. That and we lose leverage when negotiating with a team like the Dodgers who wouldn't collect first round pick either.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 30, 2016 -> 09:45 PM) Really screws white Sox, also players can only receive a QO once Well we just lost some leverage in a potential Frazier trade. Amazing how we continue to get f***ed by this market size stuff.

Do teams still get picks for losing free agents? If so, is it still a 1st rounder? Just wondering how this new CBA will impact Frazier's trade value.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 30, 2016 -> 08:07 PM) Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman 2m2 minutes ago No international draft, but int'l signings are said to be capped to 5-6M per team per year. That would be huge for us assuming no loopholes.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 30, 2016 -> 07:41 PM) Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago Sources: Deal for new CBA is close, could happen tonight. Because of course. Thank the love of god. Would have sucked big time if the Winter Meetings got cancelled.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 30, 2016 -> 12:08 PM) Honestly, I think both should be tendered if they trade Sale. They'll have to field a team somehow, and there's a slim chance that either of them could take the next step forward and get flipped for prospects as opposed to being cut for nothing. It's not that much money anyway. I'd much rather spend that money on bullpen arms that can be flipped or an international free agent that does not count against bonus pools. Garcia could always be brought back at a cheaper rate if we don't find a better DH option. And I'd rather give Saladino 600 ABs in a lost season than hope I can get something insignificant for Lawrie at the trade deadline.

I think it's impossible to separate Reinsdorf's direction/influence vs. KW's production. We know Jerry meddles, with known examples include forcing the front office to keep Ozzie and forcing them to go with the rotating DH disaster that turned out to be Kotsay. I'm sure there are plenty of other instances, especially on the people side where his unwavering loyalty has surely been an issue. And more importantly, we know for a fact he hasn't allowed for a legit rebuild in recent years when one was probably needed, which would be fine if he actually gave his front office the financial resources needed to build a winner. That being said, I think KW's ego has gotten the best of him recently. He used to make some terrific moves, picking up undervalued assets on the regular. Just seems like we're making a lot less of those moves nowadays. Seems like our scouting has fallen off quite a bit under his watch, especially the pro scouting team. While I don't necessarily blame him for the Wilder fiasco, he must wield some responsibly for allowing the system to completely rot for an unacceptable period of time. He deserves a ton of credit for that 2005 team, but I think it's officially time for a chance.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 29, 2016 -> 01:58 PM) To be fair, they didn't "come out and say it" Someone else is reporting what they heard. Onley said the Sox told the Cubs they wouldn't deal with them. That's coming out and telling everyone, unless you think GMs don't talk.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 29, 2016 -> 01:54 PM) Good move if it's for our elite talent. Their success hurts the Sox an incredible amount, whether people here want to accept that or not. While I agree with this, there is absolutely no benefit to come out and say it and lose some leverage.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Nov 28, 2016 -> 01:54 AM) Still holding out hope for Mark Cuban, but I would certainly take Barry O. Pretty sure Reinsdorf despises Cuban, so I doubt that would ever happen, but it would be awesome if it did.

I think some of you are really overthinking this Dodgers payroll thing. Despite recent losses, the team isn't hurting for cash, they simply need to be below 12x leverage per MLB rules for new ownership groups. They had $95M in payroll obligations last year on players not on their roster or 1/3 of their $300M payroll. They've also spent ridiculous amounts of money on international free agents. Given their $8B TV deal (among other sources of revenue), all they need to do is be a bit more frugal for a year or two while some of the dead weight and overpriced guys come off the books. I can promise you they will continue to look to improve their roster with win now pieces. If anything, this makes a guy like Sale more attractive to them than picking up a guy with a huge contract.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 27, 2016 -> 07:35 PM) Looks like the topic starters credibility just went nose diving ? Yeah, sucks that "nobody is off limits" rumor regarding the Astros & Dodgers is bulls***.

Might want to change the thread title, because this seems like complete bulls*** IMO.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 27, 2016 -> 06:29 PM) So Chicago would be a "Sanctuary City", which violates the Second Amendment and my favorite team would be owned by Barak Obama. So, exactly why would I be a Sox fan? Oh, never mind, I wouldn't be. If this is your reasoning for abandoning the Sox, then trust me, you won't be misssd.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Nov 25, 2016 -> 06:05 PM) Napoli is 35 and he made 7 Mil this year on a 1 year deal. My guess is he will probably sign another 1 or even a 2 year at 5 or 6 per year. For what it's worth, mlbtraderumors has Napoli getting a 2/$28M deal. While I think that's a bit high, I think it's much closer to reality than your estimate.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 25, 2016 -> 02:36 PM) Why wouldn't he fit at 3B? Long term, that is his best value. If 3B is his better position, then I'm totally cool with that. All I was trying to get at is that guys like Saladino & Sanchez are not big enough prospects to have an any impact on the decision.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 25, 2016 -> 02:28 PM) I do. But I would rather be stable at 3B than 2B. If it happens, I would rather have a guy like Bregman stable at one position, than to have him moving to another to accommodate. If Saladino were to get hurt, we have a guy like Carlos Sanchez who could step in at 2B much easier than 3B. But why does it matter? Next year will be a lost season, might as well keep Bregman where he best fits long-term. If Sanchez or Davidson has to play some 3B, who really cares, neither of these guys is going to be a starter on our next competitive team.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 25, 2016 -> 08:45 AM) Yeah nothing wrong with "just" being a reliever nowadays. He can be very valuable to the team as either the closer or a multi inning reliever. Obviously the pitching coaches and scouts would know best, but just seems like a square peg in round hole trying to make him a starter to me. It's fine if he ultimately ends up as a reliever, but we're going to need starters from somewhere and he's still our best hope of becoming one at the moment. Let's give him every opportunity to become one in 2017. Next year should be a lost season, so having a compentant bullpen should be the least of our problems.

It will be interesting to see what the Sox do with both Fulmer & Burdi. I strongly believe the Sox will be trading Sale, Gonzalez, & Robertson this offseason, leaving them with only Quintana, Rodon, & Shields in the rotation and only Jones as a true back-end reliever. And while I expect the Sox to a major league ready pitcher to step in for Sale, there should still be an opening in the rotation and the need for a high leverage reliever. Based on how this front office has operated in the past, it's got to be extremely tempting for the Sox use Fulmer & Burdi to plug these holes. However, I think both should start 2017 in AAA and be used as starters. Fulmer clearly wasn't ready for the majors last year and I don't want to see up until he proves himself in AAA in addition to his service resetting to the point where 2017 doesn't count as full year of control. As for Burdi, the Sox should try to do everything in their power to make him a starter before settling for a reliever. Even if the experiment ultimately fails, it will be good for the development of his secondary offerings and gets him some more seasoning.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 25, 2016 -> 07:02 AM) Why do some people who want Bregman want to play him at third? He'd be far more valuable at a middle infield position. He just played more 3B than second the last year and a half because of Correa and Altuve. You're right, he probably makes the most sense at 2B for us. In all honesty, we shouldn't play him at 3B to give lesser guys like Saladino or Sanchez the job at 2B. Play him where his best long-term fit and worry about the other position later. And while this is both a bit far-fetched and premature, Machado & Donaldson will be free agents after the 2018 season. We don't have to fill every spot with a long-term solutions immediately. If a rebuild is done right, we should have plenty of financial & prospect resources to plug holes in a few years.

Sale - Goes Quintana - Stays Robertson - Goes Fraizer - Goes Jones - Stays Abreu - Stays Melky - Goes Eaton - Stays Jennings - Goes

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 24, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) I would think with a 2 million vote lead and the corruption that exists, Hillary may win. I'd give her odds of 50/50 minimum maybe 60/40 she is our next President. How can anyone read this nonsense and actually believe Greg isn't a troll?