Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 06:36 AM) Ross was demanding 10 mill... if he goes to us he will need to come down. How about Chris colabello? Why can't we pay him $10M. We'll have plenty of financial flexibity to add a piece or two like him.

Out of the seven players we acquired, three of them will be ready at some point next year. Giolito & Lopez should be able to step into the rotation immediately, although it's very possible they aren't up until some point in May or whenever the date is to get that extra year of team control. Moncada needs more seasoning and will certainly not be up until that same date. I'm super excited to follow all three of these guys next year. I find it fascinating that in year 1 of our rebuild, we'll already have three young, high ceiling starters in our rotation. That alone makes 60% of games watchable to me. A dynamic middle infield of Anderson & Moncada should keep the rest of the games at least somewhat interesting. I fully acknowledge that I'm a diehard fan who is excited to watch young players develop, while most casual fans only care about winning. But you know what, who the f*** cares? Attendance & TV ratings don't matter in a rebuild, all we should care about is developing a young core that can lead to sustainable success. And that's exactly what these first two moves are setting us up for.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:34 PM) I guess people forget about Luis Basbae who has the potential to have 5 tools? He will have the speed, defense, and power for sure I think people also forgot how good this past draft class was and that we're finally bearing fruits from our Latin American operations. Our A-Ball outfields will likely consist of Basabe, Call, Fisher, Adolfo, Rodriguez, & Schnurbusch. While none of those guys are top 100 prospects, they collectively represent quite a bit of talent. And there are plenty of other interesting positional prospects in the low minors like Nunez, Cruz, Curbelo, & Zangari. Anyways, my point is simply that the cupboard isn't nearly as barren as some here are making it out to be. Obviously we still need to add some guys who are closer to the show if we want to accelerate this rebuild, but we're finally starting to see some real positional depth in the lower minors.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 10:46 PM) Don't get me wrong, I love Nate and I think he's awesome......but I don't think he has the trade value that we want to think he does. How is he different than Ken Giles?

Hahn is being smart about this. The Astros are desperate for a TOR starter and the only quality options are Quintana & Archer, who the Rays may be hesitant to trade coming off a poor season. Might as well hold on our ground for a day or two and see if they panic and offer up Bregman. If not, they still have more enough talent to get a deal done IMO. I still think the Astros end up getting him.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:29 PM) Just got out of work. Wow. SS2K5 sure s***ted up this thread huh? You absolutely take the best package of talent you can get when you are rebuilding. Worrying about not acquiring position prospects in the first freaking off-season of a multi-year rebuild is asinine. Anyhow, this is an amazing return. Huge overpay for Eaton. I might be more excited for Lopez than Giolito at this point. Speaking of Giolito, if there's anyone that straighten him out, it's the White Sox. Also was a big fan of Dunning in college. High floor on him. Could be a middle of the rotation arm in not too long. I think Hahn extracted more value in this trade than in the Sale deal. This post perfectly sums up my thoughts. I was mildly disappointed with the Sale trade, but this one is absolutely incredible. As for this apparent lack of positions players, we still have multiple assets that can be moved between now and the coming deadline. Quintana will likely be moved shortly and could land multiple high-end position playing prospects himself. Jones is an incredibly valuable trade that could land two guys in the top 100. Frazier should land at last one top 100 guy. On top of that, we have wild cards in Abreu & Robertson. All it takes is for one team to value these guys higher than mosf and we might get a solid return for them. If not, hold them until the deadline and let them rebuild their value. We should also be able to get some lower end prospects for Jennings, Cabrera, & Gonzalez. So after we trade the majority of guys I listed above, we'll be out of almost all our large payroll commitments. That means we can be major players for Cuban & Asian free agents who are exempt from signing pools. We'll also be terrible and secure high draft picks and bonus pools. That's not to mention we'll have some roster space available to take reclamation projects and hope to spin at the trade deadline for more talent. There are literally endless ways to add more position players between now and 2019, including what should be an incredible free agent class for bats. Honestly, I'm not sure how anyone could be upset right now. The front office is literally doing exactly what everyone asked for which is picking a direction and committing to it 100%. Right now, it should be all celebrations for White Sox fans.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) George Ofman ‏@georgeofman 4m4 minutes ago Sox and Nats talking Quintana/Eaton package. Let's we where this goes. Don't buy it unless they're willing to give up Turner in a package, which I find unlikely especially when Offman is the source.

He'll start in AA right? That should be a fun rotation to follow with him, Adams, Stephens, Guerrero, & potentially Hansen at some point.

Eaton to Nationals, Quintana to Astros, Frazier to Dodgers, & Robertson to Yankees. Would be the best way to get little taste from all the top farm systems.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:46 PM) Reed's value has taken a major hit in my opinion by striking out at a 34% rate (48 times in 141 plate appearances) and batting .164 in 45 games He was absolutely awful against lefties at the mlb level and is a below average defensive player Could he be a future DH? Possibly, but his mlb showing this year did significant damage to his prospect value. This season is make or break for him because if the bat does not play he has no defensive value or ability to play a position besides 1B or DH. Martes, Tucker and Reed would be a really interesting package, but I'm not sure if Houston would sell that low on a player like Reed who does have power if he can improve his contact Reed is a perfect buy low guy for us. He's unlikely to get a shot in Houston anytime soon and I'm not sure dominating the PCL again is really going to repair his value. He makes a lot of sense as the third piece in Quintana trade for both sides IMO.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:07 AM) I don't believe Jose Quintana will be on the White Sox at day's end. I think you are right. The market appears to be too good to pass up.

QUOTE (Mattchoo @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:42 AM) With Q being young, should we just hold onto him then? No, we should definitely move him if teams view him as 95% of the asset Sale is. By not getting major league ready pieces in the Sale trade, we've effectively pushed this rebuild back a year. 2017 & 2018 will both be lost seasons now. 2019 poises some hope depending how guys develop and if we are able to sign any impact free agents, but it's far from a certainty. Given all that, give me three top 100 prospects and a wild card for Q and I think that provides us with a better chance of having a legitimate competive window from 2019/2020 to 2023.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:22 AM) I could be convincable the other way, but my initial impression is that I'm unhappy with that package for Quintana without Bregman. Can you make a case the other way? You're not getting Bregman for Quintana. They wouldn't trade him for Sale, they won't trade him for Q. I get that Jose has basically been as good as Chris the past couple years, is cheaper, and has an extra year of control, but the reality is he's not Chris Sale. He does not have the same stuff and therefore does not have the same ability to carry a team in the postseason. If you have a must win game, would you rather have on the mind? It's Sale and it's not even close. Proper valuations of Sale & Q must look beyond just their projected WAR & potential surplus value. Q's additional control and cheaper salary may cut the gap considerably, but there's no doubt in my mind that Sale is the more desirable player to other GMs.

I still think Houston makes the most sense here. They can get Quintana without having to include Bregman. A package built around Tucker, Reed, and an arm like Paulino would make a ton of sense for both teams IMO.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:42 PM) Hmm...wonder if Robles Gialito is still on the table? If not hopefully Houston realizes they need to step up for a SP now. And no Bregman still doesn't need to be involved. AJ Reed, Kyle Tucker, and David Paulino is real nice start though. Lol dude...we are on the same page.

I could see Quintana to the Astros for Tucker, Reed, Paulino, & a lottery ticket.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:16 PM) Hey Dick Allen, they traded Moncada... POTY!

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:21 AM) If that guy from the Red Sox forum is right about Moncada/Kopech/Basabe, I think I'd still do the Nats deal with Giolito/Robles + If Red Sox kick in Devers+ then I'd be all for it. This, I'm not doing a deal with the Red Sox without one or Moncada/Benintendi, Devers, and one of Kopech/Groome at bare minimum. If Kopech & Basabe are the second and third pieces in a Sale deal then that's a bad deal IMO.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:15 AM) I don't disagree with you about Turner, I'm just saying I think Hahn and Co are holding out for Turner still. I think if the discussion was about the remaining prospects, and Giolito and Robles were agreed upon, they would have been hammering this thing out last night. The absence of rumors overnight suggests that did not happen. Not quite sure there is as big of a difference between Turner's perceived value and Benintendi's, but you certainly seem to feel as though Benintendi is a possible get while Turner is not. Is there really a huge difference between a package of Benintendi/Devers/Kopech and Turner/Giolito/Robles? I'd take the latter, but I think some here would choose the former. Kopech is significantly overrated IMO. He's got great, great stuff, but he's not a premium prospect at this point like the other guys you listed. I think that Nationals offer is in a completely different league.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:10 AM) Giolito and Robles or its equivalent will be there for Sale months from now. 0 reason to rush into that on the first day of the winter meetings. No it won't and that's the problem. There are only so many teams that can afford Sale and they will move on to lesser options at some point. We have some leverage now, we won't in a few weeks.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:02 AM) You guys are all kidding yourselves if you think Turner is going to be in a package.... My guess is that Giolito and Robles are agreed upon but Hahn and Co. are trying to get as many of Lopez, Fedde, Joe Ross, Stevenson, Kieboom, Severino as possible and the Nats are balking at which 1's and how many go with the 2 headliners. All the while the Hahn is still checking his phone every 5 seconds waiting for a better offer to come in. Presumably waiting for Boston to come off of 1 of Moncada/Benentendi + Devers + 1 of Kopesch/Groome or Houston to let go of Bregman + Tucker + Musgrove/Paulino. I'd be surprised if anyone else is seriously in the mix. 100% agree. Sox are pushing for as many of those second tier prospects, while floating some version of the Nationals offer to Boston & Houston in hopes of one of them topping. Washington giving up Turner is simply counterproductive to adding Sale. Their goal is maximize their two year window with Harper and Tuner is an important part of that.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:00 AM) But unlike ours of past he has an advanced approach at the plate including good two strike approach and high contact rate. Basically sounds like Byron Buxton. Robles is also a plus defender in CF. There's a ton of value in his defense & arm strength that people are completely ignoring.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:46 AM) So what is the closest thing to this trade? Off the top of my head it's Andrew Miller (top pitching prospect who is MLB ready) and Cameron Maybin (top hitting prospect with limited experience ) +parts for Miguel Cabrera. Obviously one of the worst trades in MLB history. I'm sure there's something better though. That'a probably the best example to be honest. Miller & Maybin were both top 10 prospects. Cabrera was a 24 year old, 5+ WAR player at the time. He probably had less control than Sale, but pretty similar value in the grand scheme of things.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:41 AM) If we truly rebuild you can expect Q to get traded. If we aren't yet competing in 2-3 years you can expect Rodon to be moved as well. How many guys are gonna get injured too? Bust? You need to be 7-10 pitching prospects deep. I think the problem is many posters here were expecting some magical Sale trade that plugged all our holes and then we'd be ready to compete. Hell, some posters thought the return would be so great that we could actually get better after dealing Chris. The reality is we're going to have to move a lot more pieces than just Sale to clean up this mess. If we get pitching back in a deal so be it. The goal should be added as much high-end talent as possible and worrying about fit later.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:31 AM) You're about as useful as the White Sox scouting department. Hey look, it's everyone's favorite Cubs troll coming in to stir the pot! Just what this thread was lacking!