Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 01:19 PM) Much better outcome than the rumor being shot down right away (as with Yankees) Exactly, which is what I would expect if this was total BS.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 12:55 PM) http://m.pirates.mlb.com/news/article/2120...-jose-quintana/ I like that the team site has an article about this rumor, might actually be some legs here.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 11:14 AM) Whereabouts in Houston are you living? Lived down there myself a stint. Have some suggestions if you need any. Myself, and this is just looking at the top 30 prospect list (something I've been doing a lot lately) I would rather do a deal with the Bucs or Astros than the Yanks or other teams being whispered about. If I'm the Sox? Meadows and Bell are looking real good. That Catching "prospect" is 26 which gives me some pause. He may be decent, but if you're that old generally you have figured it out by now. The Astros still have the pieces but are being stubborn. I like Reed and a few of their guys, but I for one would rather have hitting prospects rather than more pitching ... and as another poster said I think Meadows is really a Bregman in a way. Maybe a poor man's Bregman, but hard to tell this early in either career. Catching prospects take longer to develop and he missed a lot of time last year due to elbow surgery or something. He won't be a star, but he's a strong defender and has the potential to have an average bat for the position. He'd be a great get at the back-end of a deal IMO.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 10:05 AM) A guy with a 1:1 walk to k ratio in the minors is very exciting to me. Look, I'd rather have a Meadows / Bell based package, but Meadows / Newman wouldn't be too bad either. I don't see the Sox pulling the trigger without Meadows. 100% agree with all of this. Even with the lack of power, Newman's bat would slot in nicely at the top of the lineup.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 08:58 AM) TBH i dont really understand Pittsburgh getting into the bidding at all. They arent a pitcher away from taking back the NL Central. They looked really mediocre at best last season, and dealing some of their top prospects for Q just doesnt really make sense to me. I mean, im all for it, i would love to keep stacking prospects, I just dont really understand this rumor The Pirates have a ton of young talent on their major league roster and could easily see a big jump in wins without making any other moves. Adding Quintana makes them a legit wild card threat IMO, which is about as good as it's going to get for them for the near future with the Cubs owning the Central.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 08:25 AM) Meadows and Bell would be absolutely amazing, but I'm not counting on it. Anyone think Pittsburgh could be interested in Abreu as well? He's not that expensive, controlled for a couple years, and could replace Bell if he's coming to Chicago. The problem then is the ask is simply too much and the Pirates would basically going all in over the next three years. I can see them using their depth to get a Quintana, but I just don't see Abreu being worth the cost to them.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 08:06 AM) What would you want from Pittsburgh? I don't know their system that well, but I think Meadows is a must as the headliner. Meadows is definitely the must have. Newman would be the other piece I'd really like. After those guys, the Pirates have enough depth to offer a very nice four played package.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 08:16 AM) Ah, OK, I follow ya now. Still waiting for my coffee to wake my brain up. I wonder if Meadows is a potential sticking point. From what I've read the Pirates are counting on Meadows to be McCutchen's replacement if they find a suitor for Cutch. Also sounds as though the Pirates do not want to part with Bell so if that's the case then Glasnow has to be the headliner or the Pirates are SOL. Glasnow is the type of pitcher that would make the Sox FO drool over. The Pirates need pitching and are not going to trade Glasnow. If they're actually going for it, which a Quintana move would suggest, they'll most likely hold onto Cutch and use Meadows as a headliner.

Let's say hypothetically we get a package for Quintana that includes Meadows & Newman. That would give us a very nice collection of up the middle talent to rebuild our offense around. Between those two, Anderson, & Moncada we should feel pretty good about having SS, 2B, & CF covered. If Collins can stick at catcher, obviously a big question mark at this point, that take cares of the entire middle. On the position player side that would only leave the corners & DH, which should be easier to fill via free agency or using our secondary trade chips. I really hope this rumor is true, because I love how well a Pirates trade could supplant the other moves Hahn has already made.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 08:01 AM) This is exciting. Things seem to be heating up a bit. If this Pirates rumor is true, I would expect a Quintana trade done before Christmas.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 07:26 AM) BA has always been pretty low on Fulmer, but i remember reading one of their chats saying he still might be in the top 100. So, Basabe has a chance to crack the top 100. The guy who did the White Sox list made it sound like Fulmer was unlikely to be a top 100 guy, but that he wasn't completely sure on that. My guess is both Fulmer & Basabe fall somewhere in their 100 to 150 range. Personally, I don't think Fulmer's stock should drop that much, but he did have a very disappointing year.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 07:40 AM) Meadows hit 12 homers in just over 300 ABs as a 21 year old. His power grade is 55. I absolutely love the Pirates as potential trade partners. As most of you, been waiting for this to get out. That's now 3 teams publicly interested in Q. Meadows is the headliner for me. Meadows, Newman, Keller, and Hayes for Quintana and Jennings. That's too much IMO. Take out Jennings & Keller and I think you have a better framework.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 07:23 AM) There's no need for Keller, our other deals have not included a third top 100 guy. I honestly think if Newman is the second piece coming back, also getting a lesser top 100 prospect like Hayes is fair. Kopech & Lopez both had a ton of helium and are better prospects than Newman IMO. Also, it's not like getting three top 100 types is unheard of. The Nationals were offering three for Sale with two of those guys being top 10 types. The Phillies got three top 100 guys for Hamels, although I don't think there was a headliner like Meadows involved. Regardless, it all depends on where these guys are ranked on these lists, as not all top 100 prospects are the same.

QUOTE (Fantl916 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 06:48 AM) I think this is a good point. Should we trade w the Pirates I would assume that Bell, Glasnow and Hanson are all off the table because they're in the majors (especially Bell and Hanson). It makes too much sense for a deal to be centered around Meadows, Newman and other pieces. I'd love a Meadows, Newman, Hayes, & Diaz return. A legit top 10 prospect to headline, two more top 100 guys in the back half, plus an interesting catching prospect. All four are position players, which is obviously a huge area of need for us, and three of these guys are former 1st round picks with nice upside. Diaz is pretty much major league ready and would be a nice guy to give look while we wait and see if Collins can stick at catcher. Meadows could probably be called in June with the other near major league ready guys in Moncada, Giolito, & Lopez. Newman is probably only a year out from helping. There is a lot to like with type of package and it's something the Pirates might consider since they'd get to keep Glasgow, Keller, & Bell.

QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 06:26 AM) This is what I like to hear. I kind of felt like the Yankees interest was a bit overblown by media and fans, since they can easily add via FA, but PIT doesn't have that option, and they need pitching badly, unlike the Astros, who kind of need pitching but can add at the deadline. The trickle of rumors also may indicate that things are flowing again after the post meetings freeze. Glad to hear it, keep it coming, Meadows/Bell ++ baseline. Who would their 1B be if they traded Bell? Can't see them subtracting from their major league roster unless they have an obvious replacement.

Entering the offseason, I thought the Pirates could be the team most interested in Quintana (and actually prefer him to Sale) due to his salary and years of control. They also make a ton of sense as a trade partner because they have a near major league ready OF in Meadows who can headline a deal plus a ton of prospect depth to offer a quality package. If they plan to keep McCutchen, this rumor might actually make some sense and would be great news for us.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 20, 2016 -> 12:15 PM) Yes. In my opinion: |-------1-----2----3---4-------5----6----7--8---| 1.) What Yankees fans think Q's worth 2.) What the Yankees think Q's worth 3.) Eaton return 4.) What Q is actually worth 5.) What the Sox think Q's worth 6.) Sale return 7.) What the numbers think Q's worth 8.) What Sox fans think Q's worth Lol, this is spot on. I'd happily take something frameworked like the Eaton deal, but with a better 3rd piece and maybe a lottery ticket. Not sure the Yankees would be willing to do that, but it would be a nice return IMO.

We need to stop using regular season WAR & surplus value as the be all end all. Sale is definitely worth more than Quintana regardless of those factors. If you're expecting a Sale type package for Q, prepared to be dissapointed. That's not to say he's not incredibly valuable, but when I see theoretical packages like "Torres, Frazier, ++" I can't help but think some posters have completely unrealistic expectations.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) I agree. I think the Astros will budge. The rumor they were interested in Duffy.. the leak that the Yankees are interested in Q.. it makes sense someone is trying to gain some leverage. Yup, the Duffy leak also fills the bill. Hahn & Luhnow are playing poker right and seeing who budges first. I find it almost impossible to believe that in this market Quintana will still be on the Sox's roster come opening day, and at the same time, I find it equally improbable that the Astros enter the 2017 season without adding a legit TOR starter. The pairing just makes too much sense and I think we'll some compromise as we get closer to the new year.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 08:29 PM) I would much rather him traded this offseason so that we can close this damn tease of a thread. Hahn isn't stupid, this market is about as good as it gets for selling starting pitching. I honestly think the Sox & Astros are both holding their ground right now, but one or both of these teams will budge at some point. The reality is there are only so many teams that are desperate for a TOR starter and even fewer that have the assets to get a deal done. At much as we like to believe that Hahn has all the leverage, Luhnow is not going to bid against himself and pay some ridiculous price. The Sox & Astros really need each other IMO and I think both sides will eventually reach a compromise.

Robles for Robertson is not happening. Honestly, I'm going to trust raBBit on this and believe his market is weak. In that case, move Jones now assuming his market is there and let Robertson rebuild his value.

This is exactly what we needed, a second team to serve as a perceived threat to the Astros. I still don't buy the Yankees giving up what it would take to get Quintana, but perhaps they feel like they have enough positional prospect depth to move a couple guys for a legit TOR starter and then use their financial means to plug any remaining holes in their everyday lineup. Regardless, anything that puts pressure on the Astros is a good thing.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 08:15 AM) Would you take Bregman, Tucker, Reed, one of their highly ranked pitching prospects and one more prospect for both Quintana and Frazier? If you couldn't get Bregman for Sale, you're not getting him for Quintana. And adding Frazier doesn't change that.

Realistically, what teams have both the need for a TOR starter and the currency to pull a trade off? Houston Dodgers Yankees Rockies Pirates Braves Rangers That's seven potential teams and I'm not sure the Rangers could pull off such a trade without hurting their major league roster. I don't buy the Braves being interested in Quintana at the likely cost. The Pirates could easily pull off a trade, but it would be an all-in type move for them which seems unlikely. The Yankees & Dodgers both seem hesitant to move any of their top end prospects. We're really stuck with Houston and potentially the Rockies, although there have been no rumors about them targeting TOR starters. I can see why we're currently in a standstill. It will be hard to get the Astros to budge without a second serious team in the mix. Hopefully one of the teams I listed above is just playing things cool and waiting for their moment to strike, because otherwise it could be a while before Quintana is moved IMO.

We're coming off a 78 win team and just traded Chris Sale & Adam Eaton. Those guys combined for 11.2 WAR last year and will be replaced by Derek Holland & Charlie Tilson or Rymer Liriano. We will also get the benefit of starting the season with Big Game James Shields and his 6.01 FIP. I won't rule out anything because only a sith deals in absolutes, but the odds of us starting 20-10 next year is about as good as Deadpool making a post without mentioning the Cubs.