Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) That farm system would be absolutely locked and loaded to compete in the next few years Add in some other shrewd moves and/or free agent signings and you are looking at a playoff team if things go well 1) Rodon 2) Glasnow 3) Giolito 4) Kopech 5) Lopez Pen arm possibilities (or other starters): Burdi, Dunning, Stephens, Adams, Fulmer, Hansen, Clark, Cooper C- Collins (fingers crossed) 1B - Abreu and/or Bell 2B - Moncada and/or Newman SS - Anderson 3B - ? OF- Meadows OF- Basabe OF- Tilson? DH - ? As a Sox fan you can dream of a scenario like this... God forbid anyone else in our system pans out like Call, Fisher, Engel, Michalczewski, Schnurbusch, etc. If Tilson is a starter, then our rebuild has gone very, very wrong at some point.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 01:42 PM) Pirates get: Quintana and Granderson (1 year left) Mets get: McCuthcen and Robertson Sox get: Bell, Glasnow, Conforto, Smith, and Dunn Thoughts? At first though, I think this is light from the Mets side. That would be a horrible trade for the Pirates IMO.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:28 AM) How did Micah end up on your list here? I don't understand the parallel with the others. Not even sure Thompson truly fits, as he turned out to be a major leaguer. I honestly think he just named every black, toolsy prospect he could think of.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 11:02 AM) Rosenthal on MLBN just now says with the signing of Nova that Glasnow could be a piece to the White Sox. If Glasnow is coming, I really hope Bell & Newman are coming too.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:30 AM) I'd throw Lopez in that "ace ceiling" mix as well, which is all the more reason to go for a Meadows and Bell centric package from Pittsburgh. That said, Meadows and Glasnow would be nice as well, and if the Sox end up with the "problem" of having too much good pitching, we see what Sale brought and what Q is likely to bring. I hate thinking this way, but in the highly unlikely scenario we have too much pitching, Rodon could become a massive trade chip to plug some offensive holes. Again, I'm not suggesting we do this, but it could be an option if we hit on enough of our young arms.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:13 AM) All of us are high on Meadows, but I feel like we should pause and consider if the upside of Glasnow is arguably higher? Glasnow has a ceiling of a true #1 ace starting pitcher if he can improve his command. At every minor league level he has dominated, he just needs to cut down on walks. Meadows looks like he could be an excellent player, but a true #1 starter is even harder to find. If Glasnow is on the table and we pass, I could see the White Sox regretting that move in a few years. We already have three guys in the system with legit ace ceilings in Giolito, Kopech, & Hansen in addition to Rodon. I'd much rather get a positional anchor than another high upside arm. Having said that, I wouldn't pass on a Glasnow & Bell deal if that was the best I could get for Quintana.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:59 AM) Could Sox fans be happy with a package that doesnt include Meadows? Something along the lines of Glasnow, Bell, Newman for Q? While I'd obviously prefer Meadows, I would be satisfied with the package above.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:15 AM) If they're holding onto Meadows...then the basic question I'd ask is why they need to go out and get a #2 starting pitcher right now and why that's a priority rather than giving Bell, Meadows, and Glasnow time to develop? Yes, Quintana will still help them in 2018 and 2019, but why pay the premium price to get him in 2017 if you're transitioning Meadows into the OF? When you're a small market team like the Pirates, you constantly have to balance short-term & long-term goals. Acquiring Quintana, trading McCutchen for prospects, and starting Meadows in CF gives them a chance to compete next year without completely mortgaging their future. It also sets them up very nicely for the 2018 & 2019 seasons. I'm not sure I get your "pay the premium to get him in 2017" comment. TOR starters are prescious commodities and cost-controlled ones are even rarer. If the Pirates think they'll eventually need one to be legit contenders, why not strike now when the perfect option is available, especially when the price may not be radically different in a year. I know if I was the Pirates GM I wouldn't want to waste another year. Cole is only under contract for three more years. Marte is already 28 years old and could start regressing in a few years. Those are their best two players if you assume Cutch is no longer an elite player. Another important player in Kang will also be a free agent after the 2019 season. At some point, the Pirates either need to sort of "go for it" or consider selling off some parts and push back their competitive window. Adding a a cheaper TOR starter Quintana makes perfect sense if they want to give a legit shot with the core they have in place.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 07:28 AM) If Meadows really is "untouchable" is there a package that would work. Would the Pirates do Bell, Glasnow, Keller, and Newman? Would/Should we do that? They should definitely do that trade if offered it, but the Pirates aren't trading four top 100 guys in the same deal and I think they'd like to keep one of Glasnow & Keller. I think if you swap out Keller for Diaz you might have something that's a bit more realistic and still a haul for us. Ultimately I think if Meadows is untouchable, then we must get both Glasnow & Bell.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 06:02 PM) one of the ESPNers (Buster?) had an article today where they discussed this being the slowest offseason they can remember, everyone is holding out waiting for prices to drop. Edit: full piece and quote and Insider Version The uncertainty over the CBA surely slowed things down, just surprised there hasn't been a ton of activity since the Winter Meetings.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 05:14 PM) Giants Trade him for Trevor Brown. Mets could use him too. Astros need a 1B, DH - would have fit seamlessly had we snagged Bergman. What am I missing with Trevor Brown? I'll admit I know nothing about him, but I don't see much to like based on a quick google search. Seems like there are better prospects to target, perhaps a guy like Chris Shaw could work.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 05:10 PM) I have been surprised by the lack of Frazier rumors. What contenders need a 3B? Doesn't really seem like there is much of a market based on the contract Turner got.

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 04:43 PM) ....thats like 10% of the list.... When Jones, Abreu, Robertson, Frazier, Migo, Jennings, Melky and Lawrie get moved its entirely possibly we're looking at 15 of the top 100. Very few of those guys will land top 100 types. Abreu & Robertson need to reastablish their value, while Frazier needs a better 3B market. The rest of the guys outside of Jones won't sniff a top 100 prospect IMO.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 01:52 PM) I'm not against getting a high upside arm in a Quintana deal, but I am against getting one that would be MLB-ready in 2017 or 2018. While I agree you cannot have too much pitching, I believe that you can have too much pitching that arrives all at once. Having no role for one of these guys at the moment they were ready would be an extremely bad move - you'd be minimizing the utility of the talent you have, when the best way to rebuild is to maximize every asset you have. We're trying to develop these guys and that means we need to have slots open for them when they arrive. 5 young pitchers in the 2018 rotation is a good number. You give me a guy who will be in A-ball this year and I'm ok with that return, AA I'm much more questionable, AAA or big league ready and basically I would treat their value as being that of a reliever, because even if that pitcher doesn't wind up in the bullpen he'd push one of the guys we already acquired into the pen. Assuming Q gets traded, we'll only have one guy guaranteed a spot in our rotation in Rodon. Right now, the only near major league ready guys are Giolito, Lopez, & Fulmer. Once June comes along and if these guys prove they are ready, we'll make room for them. The next wave of guys (Kopech, Adams, Stephens) will be starting the year in AA and probably be ready for a shot at the big leagues until mid 2018 best case scenario. Even if the four guys I previously mentioned all stay healthy and are showing signs of becoming productive major league starters, which is unlikely IMO, we'd still have room for one of these AA arms to crack the rotation. And in the unlikely event we're overloaded with pitching, we can move some of these guys for a bat. I get what you're saying Balta, but I don't think our pitching depth in the upper minors is as overloaded as you think.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 12:22 PM) There is zero chance the White Sox have too much pitching, but they do need to get at least some position players. Pitchers do have a higher bust rate. 2 or 3 years from now, if you need to fill 4 or 5 staring position players spots, you are going to be having some problems. I agree with this. Between Rodon, Giolito, Lopez, Kopech, Fulmer, Hansen, Adams, & Stephens we have a lot of interesting arms, but only one of them is an established major league starter. While I would prefer to add some positional players, I'm not completely against getting another high upside arm in a Quintana deal. Ultimately with our blue chip assets we need to get back the most value possible regardless of position.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 01:19 PM) Much better outcome than the rumor being shot down right away (as with Yankees) Exactly, which is what I would expect if this was total BS.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 12:55 PM) http://m.pirates.mlb.com/news/article/2120...-jose-quintana/ I like that the team site has an article about this rumor, might actually be some legs here.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 11:14 AM) Whereabouts in Houston are you living? Lived down there myself a stint. Have some suggestions if you need any. Myself, and this is just looking at the top 30 prospect list (something I've been doing a lot lately) I would rather do a deal with the Bucs or Astros than the Yanks or other teams being whispered about. If I'm the Sox? Meadows and Bell are looking real good. That Catching "prospect" is 26 which gives me some pause. He may be decent, but if you're that old generally you have figured it out by now. The Astros still have the pieces but are being stubborn. I like Reed and a few of their guys, but I for one would rather have hitting prospects rather than more pitching ... and as another poster said I think Meadows is really a Bregman in a way. Maybe a poor man's Bregman, but hard to tell this early in either career. Catching prospects take longer to develop and he missed a lot of time last year due to elbow surgery or something. He won't be a star, but he's a strong defender and has the potential to have an average bat for the position. He'd be a great get at the back-end of a deal IMO.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 10:05 AM) A guy with a 1:1 walk to k ratio in the minors is very exciting to me. Look, I'd rather have a Meadows / Bell based package, but Meadows / Newman wouldn't be too bad either. I don't see the Sox pulling the trigger without Meadows. 100% agree with all of this. Even with the lack of power, Newman's bat would slot in nicely at the top of the lineup.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 08:58 AM) TBH i dont really understand Pittsburgh getting into the bidding at all. They arent a pitcher away from taking back the NL Central. They looked really mediocre at best last season, and dealing some of their top prospects for Q just doesnt really make sense to me. I mean, im all for it, i would love to keep stacking prospects, I just dont really understand this rumor The Pirates have a ton of young talent on their major league roster and could easily see a big jump in wins without making any other moves. Adding Quintana makes them a legit wild card threat IMO, which is about as good as it's going to get for them for the near future with the Cubs owning the Central.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 08:25 AM) Meadows and Bell would be absolutely amazing, but I'm not counting on it. Anyone think Pittsburgh could be interested in Abreu as well? He's not that expensive, controlled for a couple years, and could replace Bell if he's coming to Chicago. The problem then is the ask is simply too much and the Pirates would basically going all in over the next three years. I can see them using their depth to get a Quintana, but I just don't see Abreu being worth the cost to them.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 08:06 AM) What would you want from Pittsburgh? I don't know their system that well, but I think Meadows is a must as the headliner. Meadows is definitely the must have. Newman would be the other piece I'd really like. After those guys, the Pirates have enough depth to offer a very nice four played package.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 08:16 AM) Ah, OK, I follow ya now. Still waiting for my coffee to wake my brain up. I wonder if Meadows is a potential sticking point. From what I've read the Pirates are counting on Meadows to be McCutchen's replacement if they find a suitor for Cutch. Also sounds as though the Pirates do not want to part with Bell so if that's the case then Glasnow has to be the headliner or the Pirates are SOL. Glasnow is the type of pitcher that would make the Sox FO drool over. The Pirates need pitching and are not going to trade Glasnow. If they're actually going for it, which a Quintana move would suggest, they'll most likely hold onto Cutch and use Meadows as a headliner.

Let's say hypothetically we get a package for Quintana that includes Meadows & Newman. That would give us a very nice collection of up the middle talent to rebuild our offense around. Between those two, Anderson, & Moncada we should feel pretty good about having SS, 2B, & CF covered. If Collins can stick at catcher, obviously a big question mark at this point, that take cares of the entire middle. On the position player side that would only leave the corners & DH, which should be easier to fill via free agency or using our secondary trade chips. I really hope this rumor is true, because I love how well a Pirates trade could supplant the other moves Hahn has already made.