Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 09:14 PM) Kyle Tucker, AJ Reed, Franklin Perez, and Jason Martin OR Tyler Glasnow, Josh Bell, Kevin Newman, and Yeudy Garcia? Seems like this is the neighborhood everything is breaking down to? Not sure which 1 I prefer honestly. I've been pretty firmly in the "have to trade Q now" camp, but if something like these 2 offers are what is best available I might honestly lean towards gambling on Q and trading him at the deadline. Worst case scenario it will be another few months for our scouts to see some of these guys a little longer at a higher level than last year. If you can get Glasnow, Bell, & Newman you take that deal immediately. Short of landing Meadows, you can't do better than that IMO. Not feeling that Astros deal at all. Would want Martes over Perez and would need a better fourth piece than Martin.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 08:44 PM) Cashman with some comments on Sox/Q http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/bria...p;post-id=82247 Yankees aren't ready to take the plunge and I don't blame them. This is going to come down to Houston or Pittsburgh, which I think we already knew.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 08:08 PM) We gonna get our rumbunter on again? https://twitter.com/rumbunter/status/818638418213224449 Rumbunter is implying Meadows & Bell are off limits. They also think the package would be built around Glasnow & Newman. Under those conditions, I don't think there is a third player they could offer that would beat out a potential Astros deal headlined by Martes & Tucker with two other pieces. Keller is perhaps the one exception, but I'd rather get a couple offensive prospects from Houston like Reed, Fisher, Leareano, Stubbs, etc instead.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 04:58 PM) Sure is good that America decided a mentally ill narcissist with zero experience or ability to comprehend his job but a bigly desire to insult people on twitter was the right person for President. We can thank all those people who were too proud to vote for "Crooked Hilary" and instead didn't vote or wasted theirs on a 3rd party candidate. Absolutely pathetic.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 04:28 PM) Actually, 65 innings was in 2015. He only threw about 56 last season (2016). So yeah not very close at all. 2+ at best. You're missing his stint in the AFL, which would put him at about 79 innings. Still not great, but better than 56.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 01:02 PM) It is also why the Sox rebuild is more likely to fail than the Cubs. Cubs fans allowed them to spend during their rebuild. That isn't going to happen here. How much of our total revenue comes from attendance and other day of game streams? How much of our attendance comes from season ticket holders and how many of them are going to leave? We're no doubt going to take a revenue hit, but it may a lot smaller than you're anticipating. And when you factor that our payroll obligations will almost non-existent, we should have plenty of money to work with in free agency IMO.

I may be in the minority here, but I'll happily take a pitcher like Glasnow if I'm also getting two high caliber offensive prospects like Bell & Newman. I don't buy this "you can never have too much pitching" mindset, but I think there's room for one more prospect with TOR potential. The key is you have to get some bats back, even if you don't get an untouchable like Meadows included in the deal.

FWIW, the Pirates are looking to extend Jordy Mercer. This is pretty odd given that he's not very good, has two years of control left, and the Pirates have a high-end prospect who should be ready to take over at SS when Mercer's contract ends. Some speculation by rumbunter that such a move would allow them to include Newman in a Quintana trade. With recent reports that the Pirates are now holding onto McCutchen, I'm keeping hopes alive for a Quintana for Meadows, Newman, + deal.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 07:01 AM) Let me gets this straight......Astros value Archer over Q, correct? It's very possible, but there's no way of knowing. We have no idea of what the Sox are asking for at the moment for Quintana. Let's say it's Bregman++. In that case, they may like Quintana more, but aren't willing to meet our price and decided to make a play for Archer instead with their best package that doesn't include Bregman. All we know for sure (or think we know) is the Astros offered Martes, Tucker, Paulino++ for Archer. If the Astros are willing to give up that package (or a similar one in terms of value) for Quintana, then I'm very optimistic a deal will happen in the next week or so, because we'll finally have some leverage to push teams to make their best offers. Still think this comes down to Houston or Pittsburgh, with the Astros the current favorites IMO.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 8, 2017 -> 10:39 AM) Is it the wrong guy or an indictment on the White Sox ability to develop young hitters? Yeah, that's probably a good call. And beyond our organization's weakness with development, Micker has lost a ton of time due to injuries. Regardless, it still makes me sick seeing those other two names shoot up the rankings while Adalfo's prospect status sours.

Pretty crazy the Cubs were able to sign both Jimenez & Torres in the same class. They were the #1 & #3 ranked prospects according MLB.com. The #2 was none other than Micker Adolfo. Funny that the one time we were able to land a big fish in Latin America it turns out to be the wrong guy.

I really think a deal happens with the Astros pretty soon. I'm going to predict a Martes, Tucker, Reed, & Laureano package. That may feel light to some, but Reed was a top 30 prospect just 12 months ago and Laureano appears to be criminally underrated. Short of the Pirates offering Meadows, I think I take that deal, although I'm pretty high on Tucker.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 07:38 AM) Maybe he meant his brother ? Didn't they sign both of them ? No, the younger brother signed with Toronto.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 10:01 PM) Not seeing too much of Derek Fisher's name but he'd definitely be a name I'd be targeting. Projects as the #33 prospect in baseball per Fangraphs' KATOH statistical projection system (highest Astro aside from Bregman), in 2016 hit .245/.373/.431 at AA and .290/.347/.505 at AAA. Probably limited to left-field but a plus runner. How well has KATOH with their rankings? Has Fangraphs done a post-audit on the system?

The Astros are not desperate enough for Quintana to give up Bregman. While there is no doubt they'd like to add a TOR starter, they at least have a deep stable of interesting young arms. Musgrove should be already be pushing Morton & Fiers for a spot, plus they'll have Martes & Paulino down in AAA as potential reinforcements by mid-season. Again, there may be question marks at the top, but I'm fairly certain they'd rather roll the dice with what they have and then reevaluate before deadline rather than give up Bregman's potential contributions over the next six years. On the other hand, The Pirates might just be desperate enough for Quintana to give up Meadows. The Cubs aren't going anywhere anytime soon, so the Pirates have to decide if they want to be a serious threat and add to their team. Having to sell low on McCutchen might make the decision to go for it a little easier. Another added benefit is that Quintana should have plenty of value left in two years if they need to do a pivot and retool a bit. Plus with Meadows as the centerpiece, the Pirates should be able to compete a trade without including potential major league contributors next year in Glasnow & Bell. I see Meadows a far more realistic get than Bregman.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 04:18 PM) Who voted for Nicky Delmonico? I agree with that pick. That could very well be a major league capable bat that just needs to find a home on the diamond. I like him more than Davidson 100% agree with this. Huge Delmonico fan. I really think the bats plays in the majors, but they need to find him a position. I'd have him spend the first four months of 2017 down in AAA playing LF on a daily basis.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 06:10 PM) I really hope if the Astros make the deal, AJ Reed is a throw in buy low guyI know a lot of people are down on him, but his minor league track record is awesome, and although he was a bit younger which does make a difference, look at Anthony Rizzo's first couple hundred PA in the major leagues. Brutal. This guy is huge with a lot of potential.he could become a cult hero. Can't agree more with this. Reed would be a great third piece IMO. Like you said, his stats last year are very similar to Rizzo's first season.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 05:57 PM) The Sox are not getting Meadows or Bregman. Carry on... I'm not certain Meadows is off limits. Bregman I agree on, but until the Pirates move McCutchen I think Meadows is still a possibility even if it's a remote one.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 06:34 PM) If Jose Abreu had hit the free agent market this year he would not have signed yet. My guess is he'd get something comparable to the money he's likely to get in arbitration these 3 years as a contract - basically I think he'd get paid what he's going to be paid, except with a couple years guaranteed. I do not believe any team will give up any top 100 prospect for Jose Abreu. If he hits the daylights out of the ball in the first half and looks like 2014 Abreu he might become moveable again for a return that isn't "salary dump", but right now given the choice of signing Trumbo or Bautista or any of the other 1b/DH types, Abreu looks like he is at best fairly paid and not worth giving up any additional talent. I pretty much disagree with this entire post. His value is surely low, but to suggest a team wouldn't give up a low end top 100 prospect for him implies that no one will ever sign Trumbo or Bautista since they will require a 1st round pick. And to suggest 2014-like Abreu would generate a return described as not a "salary dump" is beyond ridiculous.

If the Astros really offered that, I'm optimistic a deal gets done eventually, ether it's Houston or Pittsburgh.

Garoppolo was a 2nd round pick to begin with, so the question would you be willing to give up a 2nd round pick is pretty funny. The Patriots would most definitely want more than that in return and deservedly so. IMO, if you believe in Garoppolo, a 1st & 4th is nothing. That 1st shouldn't be the #3 overall pick however, so I would definitely trade down a few spots in the 1st and try to recapture a pick or two. I really think that's the better play reaching on one of the QB prospects in this draft at #3.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 09:17 PM) Been wanting to do this for a while to kinda break it down...So here's the top 20 hitting prospects according to mlb pipelline. Personally I think it's pretty important to get 1 of these guys for Q...only problem is there just aren't many that are available when you look at it like this. 1-Moncada- Already got him 2-JP Crawford- won't be traded 3-Swanson- won't be traded 4-Benintendi- not trading with the Red Sox again 5-Brendan Rodgers 6-Austin Meadows 7-Victor Robles- Don't see the Nats going for Q 8-Amed Rosario- Don't see the Mets trading for a SP 9-Ozie Albies 10-Lewis Brinson- Brewers aren't buying 11-Clint Frazier 12-Rafael Devers- not trading with the Red Sox again 13-Gleyber Torres 14-Jorge Mateo 15-Willy Adams- Rays aren't buying 16-Josh Bell 17-Ian Happ- Ehh? Thought about bolding him, but don't see a Cubs trade happening 18-Aaron Judge- Will the Yankees even trade him? 19-Eloy Jimenez- see above 20-Mickey Moniak- Phillies aren't buying Would anybody do a Yankees deal without Torres or Frazier? Mateo, Rutherford, Sheffield and Fowler? I know it seems light at 1st glance but that's #18, 51, and 78 + a decent CF prospect in Fowler. I think Kyle Tucker will be on that list by mid-season next year. And A.J. Reed would have been on this list 12 months ago before he had a rough first go in the majors (one that is remarkably similar to Anthony Rizzo's) which has greatly suppressed his value. Give me those two guys plus Martes & a lottery ticket (who could a decent prospect considering the Astros' depth) and I think you have the framework of a very solid deal and one that gets us two good looking bats.

Astros & Pirates still make the most sense for Quintana. If these were the offers, which deal would you prefer? Astros: Martes, Tucker, Reed, Sierra Pirates: Glasnow, Bell, Hayes, Garcia

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 05:10 PM) http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/227116738-story I hope those stupid f***s get serious time. Absolutely disgusting to do that to anyone let alone a special needs kid.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 02:33 PM) The hyping of our assets is getting out of hand. I haven't seen a single publication call our return for Sale anything short of fair, with some saying it was a slight overpay on Boston's part. The reality of the situation now with Quintana is that there only a handful of organizations that can afford to pay what we are asking for and if they simply decide not to, we aren't getting it. If that is the case, Hahn has a choice to compromise, or keep him. Hahn has done a good job assessing the whole market, dropping some leaks on rich farm systems (HOU/NYY/PIT), and hopefully he can get something done. The main problem (which I was guilty of) is it's hard to comprehend the value of a super elite prospect like Moncada. I can guarantee you most GMs would consider him a top 30/40 asset in all of baseball despite only 20 poor plate appearances in the majors. Another factor is how much Kopech's stock improved over the course of the year and into the AFL. I think many of us still viewed him as a bottom half top 100 type and not a guy who is arguably one of the best right-handed pitching prospects in the game. Basabe is also criminally underrated and I myself am the first to admit how dissapointed I was at the time with him being the 3rd piece. Having said that, the more I read up on him the more I become enamored with his upside. Overall, I think it was a fairly even trade with no obvious day of winner.