Chicago White Sox

I can’t wait for the end of the Andrew Vaughn era.

So what we thinking here? Baldwin single, Vargas walk, and then Robert gapper to drive two in? That work?

He was over 30% in AAA last year. He’s not as bad as Jones, but he also brings nothing else to the table but power and has no options. And don’t get me wrong, I’m not supporting the Jones pickup. I’m just arguing that Canario is a highly flawed prospect whereas Baldwin is super fucking underrated.

Are you ripping Baldwin for being versatile? Because there is nothing else in common between him and Leury as baseball players.

Fathom is definitely the low man on Chase.

My post was referring to the lineup after the trade deadline and once all the AAA reinforcements are up. Sosa should be playing 2B most days until the infield situation gets more crowded. I do see him losing significant playing time there once Montgomery & Meidroth are both up.

I agree that Sosa isn’t a prototypical 1B, but we should be giving at-bats to the guys who have a chance to be future major leaguers regardless of long-term spot. If Sosa proves he can hit, he can become a trade asset for a team that’s in need of a 2B if we don’t have an ideal spot for him. As for Vargas, I think they are just committed to him there. Ramos is certainly the better defensive 3B, but he’s still got to prove himself offensively before he will get a shot to take 3B from Miguel. I would certainly start working Ramos in the OF to give him more versatility and allow him an opportunity for more major league at-bats down the road. It’s going to be very tough for the 2B & 3B types to get playing time if they can’t rotate around elsewhere.

Amaya has flashed some potential against LHP in the minors, so he should get all those starts until a better option comes along. And I can see him getting the start today with Cannon on the mound. His groundball rate wasn’t great for the Sox last year, but that goes against his arsenal and minor league track record.

This post is wild to me. Canario is one of the worst contact hitters in all of baseball. His contact rate in AAA would have been the worst in the majors by two full percentage points. Why is that going to get better in the majors when he consistently faces quality pitching? You’ve become so attached to his power that you have ignored that he brings nothing else to the table. When he was DFAed by the Cubs, not one of 29 GMs was willing to trade a prospect for him. Meanwhile, Brooks Baldwin is an extremely versatile player who provides good defense all over the field. Offensively he’s well rounded with solid tools across the board. However, the kid is just a pure “baseball player” and maximizes his physical ability. If you watched him in AA last year, he just has that “it” factor as a hitter. You say his ceiling is a super utility guy, I’d argue that’s his floor. If we gave him everyday at-bats I see him being a ~1.5 win player at minimum. If he can grow into a bit more power and become just a bit more disciplined at the plate, I could see a guy who is a 2.5 to 3.0 win player who effectively serves as your 10th man rotating across the field on an everyday basis. Having a guy like that is super fucking valuable…he’s basically a Dodgers prototype prospect.

He’s played a tiny amount of CF in his career, but I doubt he’s a guy you’d want out there everyday. As for Vaughn, I just think he gets DFAed at some point. I have more faith in Vargas & Sosa hitting and at some point the 1B/DH room will get crowded once the AAA reinforcements arrive.

Montgomery is going to be up in a couple of months. Where is Baldwin going to play then? There aren’t enough spots for all the 3B/2B types. And you’d rather give limited our at-bats to a highly limited, weak side platoon guy with massive contact issues whose prospect status has completely eroded vs. a strong all-around player with tons of versatility whose prospect status has skyrocketed? The odds of Canario ever being a key role player in the majors are very slim whereas Baldwin has poor man’s Zobrist potential (I know it’s an overdone cliche at this point but it’s true in the case) and a very high floor as a regular UT guy. If you want a prototypical RF with plus power, then go sign one in free agency when the time is right. Don’t try to fit a square peg in a round hole with a Canario type prospect. Invest in the better baseball player in Baldwin right now by giving the at-bats where a spot is open and find a different role for him later.

If we’re honest with ourselves, we should all hope for a massive tradeoff of vets and then rocking something like this post deadline: 1B: Sosa 2B: Meidroth SS: Montgomery 3B: Vargas LF: Ramos CF: TBD (Robert trade) RF: Baldwin DH: Quero CA: Teel The kids would all rotate around a ton, but those are the nine dudes I’d be giving all the at-bats to (CF would being a total wild card).

Why does Baldwin have no business being in RF? That was his primary spot as a sophomore in college. With the log-jam in the IF, I’d 100% give him regular playing time in the OF. I just wasn’t sure if they’d actually do it, but you should be ecstatic. This is way better than giving at-bats to someone like Canario.

Need a Nastrini redemption season. With our AAA depth chart decimated, Nick has a chance to get some serious major league action if he can return to his previous fringe top 100 prospect form. It seems like some of the mechanical changes he made last year were paying off and hopefully they carry forward into this season. Would be awesome if him or Iriarte could eventually take Perez’s roster spot.

He’s not going to be the rangiest player and he doesn’t have a great arm, but he profiles very well at 2B from what I have seen and read. And I heard his minor league teammates absolutely loved when he was the field behind them FWIW.

A prospect is an unknown commodity and their trade value is tied to how others’ perceive the potential of said player. Pretending they were valueless at the time of their prospect peak because they ultimately failed years later is revisionist theory at its finest. Ultimately, if a member of the Cubs front office was laughing they could “give away” a consensus top 10 prospect who was arguably the best prospect in his international class (they gave him $2.8M to outbid all the other interested teams) then they should not be part of a major league front office. The Cubs could have traded him (even moreso when combined with Cease) for all sorts of impactful players…instead they chose Jose Quintana.

So the big four prospects went a combined 6/16 with 4 BBs, 5 Ks, & 2 HRs which is good for a .375/.500/.750/1.250 slash line.

@BamaDoc - I wasn’t trying to steal your thunder, but realized the Knights were playing yesterday and figured it was worth starting a thread in case you were tied up.

I have never seen Soriano pitch, but apparently the dude has a nasty sinker that generates a fuckton of ground balls. He also appears to have pretty bad command and walks a decent amount of guys. I assume our 2-3-4 is set in stone for better or worse, but here’s how I’d like to see the rest of the lineup: Vargas, DH Robert, CF Benintendi, LF* Vaughn, 1B Sosa, 2B Baldwin, 3B# Thaiss, CA* Taylor, RF Maton, SS* Vargas moves to DH with Cannon on the mound, but bats leadoff again due to his double plus plate discipline and good straight line speed. Baldwin slots in at 3rd to give us the better glove and provide another bat from the left side who will make good swing decisions. Outside of the Sosa, the rest of the lineup is guys who bat lefty and/or draw walks. I’d feel much better with Tauchman in RF instead of Taylor, but alas the call comes down to Taylor or Slater (sorry Jankowski) and I’m going with the better glove in this case. I candidly don’t know much about Maton, but if the glove can play at SS he gets the start. If not, I’d be willing to go with Amaya at SS for defense with Cannon on the mound despite him unlikely to provide much value with the bat against a righty.

Because he had a bad spring training?

Eloy was a consensus top 10 prospect in all of baseball and many had him as a top 5 prospect. He had limitations being a bat only prospect, but the offensive potential was incredibly high. His trade value was enormous when we acquired him for Quintana. Whoever told you this “story” appears to be lacking general baseball acumen.

Lineup: Meidroth, 2B Montgomery, SS Quero, CA Teel, DH Dalbec, 3B DeLoach, CF Elko, 1B Mitchell, RF Julks, LF

https://www.milb.com/scores/all/all/whitesox

Why would Getz hope this? He could just exit him from the org altogether…he’s fine as a AAA depth piece that doesn’t require a roster spot. Mike Jones falls into the same category IMO, but for now he’s got a 40 man spot.