Chicago White Sox

Is Jerry dying after the 2021 season? If not, then why in the fuck are we going all in next year? If you’re going to trade key prospects, at least get a pitcher with three years of control.

What are you expecting their payroll to be next year? Wouldn’t $30M in spend get them back to those levels?

Talk about a fucking strawman. There is a huge difference between saying let’s give up a high end prospect for one year of Lance Lynn vs. saying we shouldn’t upgrade the rotation. With seven playoff teams expected next year, we can afford at least one young guy in the rotation and a few more as depth / completion for back-end spots.

Lopez deserves a shot out of the bullpen with Katz in tow, but it’s definitely now or never time for him as I really wouldn’t risk paying him more than his projected $1.7M salary next year.

Lopez has 87 career starts, whereas Cease 26. That’s a world of a difference.

I don’t know why you think they’re an outlier, he legit made changes that made him a better pitcher. He was also really good for the Yankees for half a season before signing with the Rangers. He’s a really good pitcher, but at his age and with his body type you just never know when he’ll fall off a cliff. I’ll happily take that gamble, but it’s got to be at a reasonable price.

It’s not written in the Bible he can be extended at a reasonable rate so why are we paying for team control that doesn’t yet exist?

So 2021 is more important than the five years that make up 2022 to 2026? Why? Once you trade Dunning he is gone and unavailable to be used in other trades. Also, under you scenario we now need to replace both Lynn & Dunning come 2022. Why does everyone suddenly want to bust our entire prospect load at the first opportunity. I love Lance Lynn but he is a high risk pitcher on a one year deal and that needs to be factored into the cost. And candidly speaking, six years of a former top 75 prospect who just put up a 3.99 FIP while coming off TJS and never pitching AAA is too steep of a price. With seven playoff teams likely in each league next year, we’re better off saving our chips for a TOR starter at the deadline when some of our guys have had a chance to rebuild their trade value.

There’s no guarantee 35 year old Lance Lynn stays healthy next year or maintains his 2020 production. That is the risk is overpaying for one year of any asset because shit can happen. And that’s why trading Dylan Cease for him absolute insanity and the quickest way to shorten this window.

That is gross as fuck.

Will be interested to see the terms of this one as I didn’t expect him to get a multi-year deal.

Who wants to bet another three and out here?

Hahn is the GM. Get over it.

Amazing...we are lucky to have fathom on this site.

So you want to tender him?

Lol...I was wondering the same thing, but didn’t catch that

Does he have the arm for RF? And does playing the field on a regular basis impact his ability to stay healthy?

I think it’s closer to 20% of their salary, but I could be wrong.

Trade a song for Calhoun

Where is the “God No” option? If he wants to come back at like $2.5M to open the season at DH and then move into backup role once Vaughn is called up that’s fine by me. Bud under no circumstance do you tender him a contract.

So Springer can only RHP if they start a game? That’s your argument?

Why do they need a left-handed bat if a righty crushes RHP? I’ll never understand this argument.

You know how much Hahn wants to say he checked that “$100M free agent box”. He tried last year with Wheeler and was the high bidder, but lost out for personal reasons. I still think there is at least enough ammo for one piece in the Springer price range, just got to hope Jerry is willing to risk a little short term pain from COVID for the long term gain. Logic dictates that Jerry doesn’t bring on La Russa without being prepared to spend some cash but obviously you never know with this guy.

Springer still plays a solid CF and would likely be fantastic in RF. That also allows Robert to cheat even further over to LF and greatly reduces the ground Eloy needs to cover. Outside of SP, where else do we need to use our financial resources? And if Reinsdorf says no to Bauer, what better way is there to spend this money?

100% agree. And 5/$125M (or less) would be an absolute steal for a free agent of his caliber. While Anthony Rendon is a better player, he got 7/$245M or a $35M AAV just last year. Yes, he’s 15 months younger but does he really warrant an AAV 40% higher than George? Honestly, in a normal environment I would be shocked to see Springer get at least 6/$165M and possibly more. Add in the cheating baggage with the Astros and we have an opportunity here where a legit star is available at a below market rate. Teams like the White Sox who are traditionally risk adverse to super long deals (especially with pitchers) need to take advantage of situations like this when they arise. RF is our last positional hole and we have a perfect free agent waiting to be scooped up. I really hope Hahn, KW, & Jerry find a way to get this done.