Chicago White Sox

I believe he’s under control for five more seasons. He also has an option left, which is incredibly valuable. Personally, when it comes to the bullpen next year, I think we have four guys that are pretty much guaranteed spots in Colome, Herrera, Bummer, & Fry. Given Herrera’s struggles this year, I think they add one high-end RH setup man in the offseason. After that, I think you just let Cordero, Marshall (who has an option), Hamilton, Fulmer (who will be out of options), Frare, Ruiz and whoever else compete for the last spot or two. With the way he’s pitched so far, Cordero may in fact be the favorite unless there is someone who shows will in spring training that needs to be protected.

@CaliSoxFanViaSWside this is exactly what I’m talking about. I wish the on-field product was better too, but I’m definitely not calling them up right now for short-term entertainment purposes. Nothing personal @Roofshot, but this is just a crazy line of thinking and the value you get out of watching a slightly better team miss the playoffs in 2019 in worth absolutely nothing.

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Your view isn’t whiny. From what I can gather, you simply believe the 40 or so games they could get by calling them soon is important for their development and puts them in a better position to be contributors in 2020. That’s a fair point of view, just one I don’t personally agree with. As for the whining, I’m talking about the SoxMachine guys (Pnoles & Josh Nelson in particular) who constantly complain about service time manipulation and rip the front office for not calling these guys up. Like I said, a very strong argument can be made for calling them up now to better your odds of being competitive in 2020, but demanding they be promoted due to ethical considerations (sorry, but all teams play the service time game) or simply because they’re bored (which I think is the actual culprit) is both stupid & short-sighted.

IMO, the drop dead date to call up Robert & Madrigal was August 1st. After that, I just don’t believe the benefit outweighs the cost of an extra year of team control. Both guys will likely be fatigued come September and would face a ton of garbage pitching due to rosters expanding. I just don’t view that as vital development experience. As for 2020, the Sox have 13 games in their first 16 days. I wouldn’t be shocked if there are few rain-outs in the mix, so we’re talking about missing 11 to 12 games most likely. While it would definitely suck not having them to start the season, I still don’t think it’s worth losing a year of team control in 2026.

I really hope they aren’t planning to call up Robert & Madrigal. Please don’t listen to those whiny SoxMachine b****es like Pnoles and stay the course.

? Saying his strikeout rate has increased by 10% is not suggesting 10% of his ABs have been impacted. And no, I’m not evaluating the outcome of his at-bats, but the change in the underlying driver.

Lol...I’m dying right now.

Increasing the contextual impact? He’s striking out 10% more of the time than last year. I could turn this around and say you’re looking at just the absolute change in his K rate to minimize the YoY impact. I wouldn’t because you’re trying to measure the effective impact on an outcome basis whereas I’m looking at the relative change in the underlying driver. Maybe people will interpret it wrong, but there was nothing inherently disingenuous about my comment.

I’m suggesting his strikeouts are up 10% vs prior year, which is a factual statement. What in the fuck am I trying to represent other than implying it may be reflect the initials sign of a slowing bat and/or aging player? This is where citing a relevant stat makes total sense. You saying otherwise is disingenuous or you simply not wanting acknowledge being wrong.

Don’t hate, he’s just building up his dataset so he can make an objective decision.

If there are enough suitors, that’s what he’ll get. He’s a top three pitcher in baseball and has shown to be pretty durable. Also, he’ll be 29 next year for the vast majority of the season, not that makes a huge difference.

Lol...you said your background is finance and/or analytics and you’re somehow ignorant of relative change? Something ain’t jiving here guy.

Which is why I said he’s selling other parts of his game for power.

I don’t follow. He’s striking out about 10% more frequently than last year, which represents a two point increase in his actual K rate. One reflects absolute change, the other relative. To say only one matters doesn’t make a lick of sense to me.

He spent a chunk of his winter in Arizona working on changing his approach at the plate. Just because he doesn’t play with a lot of emotion, doesn’t necessarily mean he’s not a high effort guy.

Yup, doesn’t really make a ton of sense.

His K rate is 22% this year vs 20% last year...that’s a 10% increase in the rate. If his K rate was up 10 actual points, his rate would be up 50% vs prior year.

He’s not wrong, Cole would be a perfect addition for this team. Just make him the Manny offer (without the options) and he would be ours.

His K rate has improved in August, so it’s not as bad as it was. But a 10% increase is still a red flag and something that shouldn’t be ignored when projecting out his age curve.

Yup, that’s the concern.

And I’m all for something like 2/$25M. Hell, I’d probably be ok with a slightly higher AAV, it’s the years that I care about. I don’t want money and more importantly a roster spot committed to Jose in 2022 at the point in time.

100% agree with this.

I’ve been highlighting batted ball profile for a while now and generally agree, but Jose is striking out a ton more and walking way less. It’s very possible (or even likely) he’s selling out other parts of his game for power.

No worries at all, just making sure I’m not coming off as complaining about Abreu. I’m firmly in the middle on this matter, as I want to bring him back but don’t want to vastly overpay simply because of what he’s done for us in the past.