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QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 10:06 AM) That looks nice on paper but in reality it's likelier that when it's all said and done Alejandro DeAza puts together a better Major League career than at least 3 of those guys. Possibly, but thats when you have to lean on your scouts. None of those guys are new to pro ball, all are either in the majors or fairly close (aside from Trahan I guess). Scouts opinion vary wildly on prospects, they are cost controlled lottery tickets in effect. Just depends on who you hedge your bets on.

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 1m Jerry Reinsdorf on #Whitesox rumors re Chris Sale: "I've only had 1 player in my 33 years who couldn't be traded. He played basketball.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 09:23 AM) Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 3h curtis granderson physical planned for today. btw, #chisox never got involved due to price. #mets Good job Hahn

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 09:31 AM) They actually have prospects at positions that make the most sense, but this can't be what Hahn would consider to be a fair trade. He has to feel he won by a wide margin. I just threw some random names out there, but I think Arizona with Bradley and Seattle with Walker match up well.

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 49s Diamondbacks are among the teams with the most serious trade interest in Chris Sale -- IF they would agree to part with him. A big if. Bradley, Owings, Davidson, Skaggs, Delgado anyone?

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 08:57 AM) Hahn would be crazy to listen though. Hahn needs to find the SS who will anchor the infield on our next playoff team. Hahn needs to find our 3B of the future. Hahn needs to find our long-term CFer, he needs to fix the gaping hole that is the catching situation, he needs to add offense in the meantime to make Reinsdorf happy but not at the expense of the future. Hahn needs to balance the team, balance the payroll, improve the farm, and hopefully find a way to extract maximum value from a few smaller names like DeAza, Reed, Alexei, and maybe Beckham and Jones. The last thing Hahn needs to do is spend the most productive few days of the offseason dicking around with a bunch of idiots who want to waste his time throwing out underwhelming packages just because they don't want to pay a premium for Price. Don't want to pay a premium for Price? Then GTFO you don't have the stones to even speak Sale's name. Hahn needs to set these b****es straight. He's here to get s*** done right now and his is the only team he cares about improving. I think teams would rather pay a premium for Sale, not Price. Price is under contract for two years, Sale for the next six.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 10:45 PM) David Vassegh ‏@THEREAL_DV 9m The White Sox are trying to sign Juan Uribe. #dodgers #whitesox Details LET'S GET THE OLD BAND BACK TOGETHER BOYS!

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 02:37 PM) I'm really hoping this is just a precursor to a trade about to go down Just a precursor to the Rule 5 draft. If anything it shows we are planning on selecting someone, which is kind of exciting

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 12:44 PM) The price for Sale should be ridiculous. If someone is willing to meet that ridiculous price, Sale should be traded. He's great, but he's not Michael Jordan. There is no point making anyone on the White Sox untouchable. Maybe in reality they would be considered untouchable, but Chris Sale should have a price in which he can be had. Exactly my point. It is Hahn's job to determine at what value could Sale be attainable. I am sure the cost is extremely prohibitive to potential buyers. Also, I like how a question about acquiring some of Seattle's excess infield depth has been detoured into Sale's potential value/availability.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 12:25 PM) It also provides significant surplus value to the White Sox. Trade others to supplement the team. There's no need to trade the best pitcher the Sox have had in years and years and years. Not advocating trading Sale, I agree with everything you said. But his value is at an all time high and we have one of the weakest pools of young talent in the league. It would be silly to refuse to entertain offers. If Seattle offered a blockbuster package around Walker, or Arizona around Bradley, I think it's Hahn responsibility to weigh the value.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 11:35 AM) Right but that's not realistic. You can't trade $20 for $50. Not saying it's likely, but when the Scott Feldman's and the Jason Vargas's of the world are getting 3 and 4 year deals for 30 and 32 million dollars, a young cost controlled ace could get back just about anything.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 11:28 AM) The offer the ends up getting Price won't be enough to make us happy about Sale. Age and contract add much more value to Sale. There's no way the M's will give up enough for Sale when they can give up less for Price. Plus, come on. If you don't hold on to 24 year old stars signed affordably through their age 30 seasons as building blocks, what are you doing? What is the plan there? The plan would be to get 3-4 building blocks for him. I would only trade Sale if we would get absolute studs back at multiple positions.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 11:05 AM) Granderson's about what Dunn is at the plate, he does provide more defensively, but Dunn is a little better offensively. I can see a team handing Dunn a multi year deal next season, its probably worth the risk. If he accepts your offer you get a guy that can put up 40 HR's for 1/$15M. If the market for Dunn was comparable to the market for granderson, we would of had no problem shipping off his remaining contract at the deadline. We had absolutely no takers for a him for a year and half of 15 million a year.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 10:58 AM) I thought he would probably get 16 the way things have been going. On the bright side, I think the Sox can make an offer to Dunn next year and pick up another draft pick unless he plays the whole season the way he started last year. I really doubt they Sox would do that considering they have been unable to dump him on another team without them giving up a draft pick. I couldn't envision much of a market for an aging DH only player.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 10:51 AM) Good money to get off the books. Maybe take a couple low level prospects and a catcher--I know Romine is a name that has bounced around forever, but who knows. Hahn was asking for "premium" prospects at the deadline for Ramirez, doubt he just makes him a salary dump now. If anything, the off-season should increase the amount of buyers and drive up the price.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 10:49 AM) Aren't most of the Sox better position prospects middle infielders? Depends on your definition of "better." Most are projected to be UT guys. L. Garcia and Sanchez are probably UT guys, Micah Johnson is suppose to move to the OF because he's a butcher at 2B, Tim Anderson is a ways off. Semien could stick, but he might play 3B. Point is, if you have a chance to acquire a legit guy, our minor leaguers shouldn't be a concern.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 10:46 AM) Finally, I agree with Phil Rogers. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/408999694371549184 Alexei makes a lot of sense for the Yankees. But watch them get Brandon Phillips. Ugh, so many bad memories of getting trade raped by Cashman

QUOTE (staxx @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 10:44 AM) thank god. no thanks on a 4 year deal Especially four year 60 million. 15 million a year?? No thank you

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 10:01 AM) I didn't think there would be a chance he left the Yankees. Seattle is a nice place, but it's been nice seeing Cano play in the spotlight. Now he will play the rest of his career mostly in obscurity unless the Mariners really turn it around. If the Mariners hated paying Chone Figgins, I can't imagine what they will be feeling when this contract gets to it's final 2 or 3 years. Ouch. True but with a future rotation of Felix, Walker, Iwakuma, Hutzlen, Paxton you have to feel good about their chances to compete. A nice young core of hitters too, Franklin, Miller, Zunino, Smoak, Montero, Ackley, all under 27.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 09:33 AM) Sounds like after everyone cooled down, talks with the Mariners are back on. 10 years 240 million. Wow. Seattle overpaying to make a splash

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:43 PM) As I imagine it'll be a talking point for the rest of the offseason and many to come, Chris Sale's value cannot be overstated. Solid Grantland piece on this very topic: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/100808...rankings-part-2 As you can see, their is only one pitcher rated ahead of Chris and that is Jose Fernandez. If the Sox were ever to trade him, it would really need to be for someones entire farm or someone along the lines of Manny Machado. Everybody has a price. You can pander all you want about "untouchable," but it just depends on the right package. I think the D'Backs could do it with Bradley as a centerpiece and others.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 12:35 PM) I think if Hoffman ends up being there they have to take him. I would be fine with Trea Turner. Alex Jackson would make me the most excited I think. Callis seems to be very high on Hoffman. He says that if anyone has a chance to overcome Rodon, it would be him.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 11:45 AM) I find myself flip flopping back and forth between Hoffman and Kolek at this time. I lean towards Kolek but he is committed so I would hate to waste a #3 pick on a kid that goes to college. Spring will bring another season of college and HS baseball so who knows how the draft pick status will change. Some likely rise and some likely fall. At the #3 draft slot money I would think it would highly highly unlikely a HS kid would turn that down.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 12:25 PM) It did surprise me to see the Sox mentioned with him yesterday, but a lot of that could be trying to drive his price up, as it was reported the Sox at least had a lot of interest earlier before Abreu signed I think this is the case. I don't see how signing Granderson to a 3-4 year deal is going to fit in Rick's "long term plan." He will be at the tail end of that contract by the time we are truly contending and he'll be 35-36.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 10:47 AM) No, it is significant. The Sox minor league system is still bad and they need to supplement it. Giving up this pick is essentially trading a prospect for Granderson. I agree. It's a crapshoot for sure, but the more opportunities you have to select and develop young talent, the better chance you have.