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Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 1m Executive with another team described the Rangers as “active” in these final moments before deadline. Stay tuned, folks. SWEET MOTHER OF GOD..no it's not for Rios.
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QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) I'm good with keeping Rios I am going to talk myself into it too. His value seems to be quite low right now, let's see what the off-season brings. Also, this may mean Garcia gets to spend more time in the minors, which I think he needs.
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Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox
royoung replied to ChiliIrishHammock24's topic in Pale Hose Talk
QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) How does he 'long hold' anything for a guy who just turned 22? That makes him sound like some finished product He did go on to say... "In Garcia's defense, he's just 22 years old and did not belong in the big leagues this year, so he at least has the time to develop an approach at the plate. The White Sox likely view him as a potential middle-of-the-order bat, which would more than justify the trade for Peavy, although I'm less sanguine because of Garcia's lack of adjustments." I support this notion, why rush him to the majors this year when we have nothing to play for? He's got a lot to work on in Triple-A and he's still extremely young. -
Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox
royoung replied to ChiliIrishHammock24's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Also, can someone with an account post what baseball prospectus wrote on the trade? I heard they view it positively for the (White) Sox -
Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox
royoung replied to ChiliIrishHammock24's topic in Pale Hose Talk
From Keith Law.. "What you think of the White Sox' return for Peavy depends largely on what you think of Garcia. I've long held that he's an extra outfielder, or below-average regular, a player with some tools but very little baseball skill or instincts, especially at the plate where he appears to have no plan at all." Surprise suprise! He hates a player the White Sox love! In other news, the sun rose in the East this morning -
QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 01:29 PM) What else would Hahn say? We have to make trades and shed payroll ASAP? I'M FREAKING OUT! I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M DOING!! WHY WON'T ANYONE TAKE RIOS!!?? Would of been more interesting soundbite
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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 01:17 PM) See, this is where I would argue we should have been trading pieces that had some perceived value. Keep the guys that are semi-productive that no one wants, but deal the guys that are younger and cost-controlled for better prospects. I know the Org probably thinks we aren't that far away, but I disagree. The odds that any of the guys on this current team are going to be major contributors to future success is relatively low, IMO. Trading Reed, De Aza, Beckham, Sale (gasp), could have brought back a slew of prospects that would form the basis of our next core. I think that route would have been preferable to the half-ass re-tool we are doing yet again. Sale would of created a big splash, big unless you are getting a surefire young front line starter and all star position player back, it's probably not worth it. Unless you are in the camp where you think Sale is going to break down soon.
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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 01:08 PM) I don't have a problem letting Garcia tear up charlotte for another month. His minor league track record of dominance is pretty sh ort. Exactly
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QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 01:04 PM) If they don't move Rios, they have to start taking away AB's from Konerko. Call Garcia up and shift Viciedo to DH. I know the Sox would never do this, but I think it wouldn't be a terrible idea to give Garcia some more time in Triple-A. He basically flew up from A+ to the majors and still has a lot of work to do on his plate discipline. He just turned 22, he's younger then basically all of our top prospects (Phegley, E. Johnson, Trayce Thompson etc etc).
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QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 01:00 PM) I will cry. Just not much interest in a guy who is due to make 30 million over the next 2 and half years who has effort issues and is aging quickly. Especially when Hahn was asking for the moon.
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Analysis of Prospects acquired from Peavy Trade
royoung replied to NorthSideSox72's topic in FutureSox Board
QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 11:46 AM) Hey, it's not my fault the trade details finalized around 11 p.m. Get a late trade, get a later post. Thanks Dan, love reading future sox posts! -
Dan Hayes @DanHayesCSN 1m Sounds like #Rangers aren't interested in Alex Rios. Not sure on #Pirates or #Yankees but wouldn't be surprised if he stays w/ #WhiteSox. Welp
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QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 11:58 AM) If Dunn went to Texas, he'd be beloved and their GM would be hailed as brilliant. He'd continue to knock in runs for a team that really needs it and they wouldn't have to give up anybody that the fans are familiar with to get him I really am surprised Dunn isn't attracting at least some buzz. The dude is raking over the past two months. Money would be an issue I guess, but Sox should eat some.
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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 11:54 AM) No, it means they are willing to move anyone to make a trade to get better. They probably don't want to move many more prospects and so they are willing to move pieces from their mlb club. So gave up a substantial package to acquire pitching a week ago, now whoops wait let's get rid of pitching to acquire hitting?
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@Ken_Rosenthal: Remember yesterday when @jonmorosi and I said that virtually all of the #Rangers were in play? List includes Garza. Rangers are apparently selling when only 5 back in division and 1 back in wild card?? What the f*** are they doing??
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QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 11:25 AM) 24 hours ago I may have complained.. but at this point I want to get Garcia on the field and make room for him. Hoping we eat some salary and get something of value back tho In this market, he does have some value, despite his best attempts to kill it. Best case scenario, we get a projectable prospect package back (similar to what Boston gave us), and we eat cash.
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QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 11:21 AM) Mark Gonzales @MDGonzales 1m Rios x-rays on left foot negative, listed as day to day. everyone must have been wating for the X-rays to come back negative before dealing for Alex Ugh, honestly I would applaud Hahn if he got rid of Rios for anything of value. Would anyone complain if we just salary dumped him on someone?
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Sox turn down trade offer for Alexei from Cardinals
royoung replied to chisoxfan09's topic in Pale Hose Talk
QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 11:02 AM) I'm sure they are looking for one that can currently either catch or hit, both would be a bonus. And the trade deadline speculation has hit a new low -
QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 11:18 AM) Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 34s The Rangers are aggressively pursuing offensive upgrades, according to one rival executive. In other words, someone better then Rios.
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Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox
royoung replied to ChiliIrishHammock24's topic in Pale Hose Talk
It's hard to not be excited about the potential of Garcia, is the most complete young player the Sox have had in a long time. Remember, he is just recently turned 22 and already has success in the majors, in the playoffs, and is dominating Triple-A. To give you some perspective on that, Garcia is younger than Trayce Thompson, Micah Johnson (who is in A ball still), and Erik Johnson. He is crazy young and still developing. Some scouts project him as a 30 plus homer guy, 20-30 steals, and playing gold glove RF. Also the fact that we may of taken away that kind of production from a division rival is unbelievable and frankly it might of tipped the scales for Hahn away from going with a package from Arizona. Also we ate zero cash in this deal, by dumping Peavy's contract of 20 million, we hopefully freed up cash to send with Rios/Ramirez today, or be more active in free agency this winter. Now the negatives, Garcia is a free swinger and doesn't have a great walk rate. He swings and missed a lot, his K percentage isn't alarming, but his plate discipline has to improve a lot for him to be an elite hitter. Also, currently he is very strong and fit, but anytime you have a OF weighing 240 there are concerns about how that body will age. And the Tigers are very familiar with him, it's interesting that they would freely give up him to a division rival. Aside from nitpicking Garcia, I am disappointed we couldn't find another solid prospect to pair with him. The prospects from Boston are underwhelming to say the least. This deal is basically Garcia or bust, unless Montas really develops, which is unlikely. I wonder if there was a Skaggs/Owens or Owens/Davidson deal to be had in AZ, or a Martinez/Wong deal in St. Louis. We will never know, but I hope we didn't settle on this package because Boston would absorb all of the cash. If Garcia develops into the monster that many scouts think he can, this trade will be an absolutely steal, however, if he turns out to be more of a Viciedo type of player, this was basically a glorified salary dump when we were holding all the chips in a seller's market. -
Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox
royoung replied to ChiliIrishHammock24's topic in Pale Hose Talk
QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:33 PM) I'm surprised Detroit messed with Boston and didn't just trade us Garcia for Alexei. Because they wanted the younger, cheaper player with potential? -
Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox
royoung replied to ChiliIrishHammock24's topic in Pale Hose Talk
QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:27 PM) Alex Speier @alexspeier 3s Believe athletic 2B Cleuluis Rondon of Lowell is in the deal. As is Wendell Rijo, a 17-yr-old off to a spectacular start in the GCL Yes Rijo!! Lottery ticket! Smart move Hahn! Correction:Wendell Rijo is NOT in the deal GOD DAMNIT -
Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox
royoung replied to ChiliIrishHammock24's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Alex Speier @alexspeier 3s Believe athletic 2B Cleuluis Rondon of Lowell is in the deal. As is Wendell Rijo, a 17-yr-old off to a spectacular start in the GCL Yes Rijo!! Lottery ticket! Smart move Hahn! -
Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox
royoung replied to ChiliIrishHammock24's topic in Pale Hose Talk
QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:15 PM) I'm predicting Garcia, Middlebrooks, and a pitching prospect to the Sox. Middlebrooks confirmed not in this deal -
Peavy to Boston, Avisail Garcia + 3 low lv specs to Sox
royoung replied to ChiliIrishHammock24's topic in Pale Hose Talk
QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:15 PM) After hearing Owings, Davidson, Tallion, and Martinez kicked around I will murder something if it's just f***ing Garcia and nothing else notable Garcia is just as highly regarded as many of those guys, not Tallion obviously but he was never really going to happen with the cheapo bucos
