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De Aza was going to be gone in 2015 anyway. No way Sox would let him go to arbitration and be stuck with him again for an entire season at an even higher salary. If he gets a few hits for Baltimore, who cares?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 1, 2014 -> 08:38 AM) This thread is going as expected. What? Another warning?

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Oct 1, 2014 -> 12:13 AM) But then Downs put up a 3.14 ERA with the Royals. The only logical explanation is that Hahn was a terrible GM when he got Downs because of the possibility that Ventura would make him pitch bad but then Ned Yost would make him pitch good. The smarter move was bringing on Noesi because Ventura would make him pitch pretty well and be a very valuable innings-eater. But for the life of me, I can't figure out why they don't just tell ALL of these crapshoot, scrapheap no money low-risk players to play well. Vance, I had to read your post a couple of times before I understood it. Then I laughed. Back to Downs.....injured in ST, pitched when not ready, stunk, had a decent stretch of games, then stunk again, DFA'd, picked up by Royals -- 3.14, blah, blah, blah. Just so you know, he is not on the playoff roster, at least the wild card game.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2014 -> 03:52 PM) http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2014093...orts/140939832/ Interesting read to see some specific spots he talks about adding to. Sox would be a lot closer (and richer) if it were not for KW.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Oct 1, 2014 -> 04:53 AM) I have been giving this some thought, but if Robin Ventura were no longer the manager of the team, I would want the Sox to hire Bo Porter. I really liked what he did with the Astros and he should still be managing the team. I think you should give it some more thought.

...No longer the Braves' Hitting Coach.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 30, 2014 -> 04:52 PM) Or Matt Kemp, even after what he did the final two months of the season. The Dodgers still need to find playing time for Pederson, Kemp and Puig don't get along so well, and they'd save a lot of money trading Kemp compared to Ethier/Crawford. That said, they're also not stupid. They'll trade Ethier to any team who wants to take on that contract. If Matt Kemp is available without giving up too much, I would jump on him like a tall dog and pay him his $20 large a year. He sure looked healthy to me when I saw him. He played in 150 games and finished strong. Put him back to back with Abreu, and they would hit 75 HR's together.

QUOTE (daggins @ Sep 29, 2014 -> 10:15 PM) It was a stipulation of the contract. Compensation goes up to 26.5 mil if he gets super two status. His contract is so ludicrously under market that I am not even close to upset about this. After my post, I read the Super 2 explanation on Baseball Reference. Thanks.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2014 -> 07:38 PM) https://twitter.com/timdierkes/status/516714980499292161 timdierkes ‏@timdierkes This year's Super Two cutoff is looking like 2.133. Not official yet. 2.133 means Marwin Gonzalez and Javy Guerra are last ones in, and Jose Quintana's salaries escalate. Quintana signed a 5 year contract. Why would his salary go up?

Tony is cleaning house.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 08:48 AM) IIRC, that same poster also advocates for 26 year old AA journeymen to be promoted and gives up on 19 and 20 year old kids in single-A who don't immediately set the world on fire so there's also that Who? Courtney Hawkins? I haven't given up on him. Last year, say mid-season 2013 and beyond, I criticized fellow posters for ranking him so high. He improved a bunch this year, and I don't have as much disagreement with where others rank him now. I never called him a 'bust'; others did. Face it, he had a lousy year in 2013. Much better in 2014. Next year is huge for him. I'm pulling for him. I assume the 26 year old journeyman is Wilkins. Sure, I wanted him promoted to see what he could do. Lots of posters here wanted that. What does that have to do with Hawkins or the Reed/Davidson deal?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 01:35 PM) But the White Sox did replace Reed as closer and their current closer, Jake Petricka, has been just as effective as Reed was and has been. Damage was already done by the time Petricka got the gig.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 23, 2014 -> 03:02 PM) hey greg, let me flip this on you, would you have made the reed for Davidson trade? the first initial trade. were you in favor of the trade? IIRC, there was only one poster here who openly disagreed with the trade in the first 24 hours of its aftermath.

Good stuff there, Ultimate.

That error last night should have been a hit, IMO.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Sep 19, 2014 -> 12:52 PM) I don't have an issue with the trade. I would just like to know what other offers he had, if any, for Reed. Same here. If Hahn wanted to shop Reed, he could have gotten a lot more, IMO. I would love to know how the trade evolved.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 19, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) Frankly, I doubt Davidson becomes a contributor. But maybe and I hope, not getting the couple extra wins the Sox might have had with Reed on the team gets them to draft a perennial all star maybe even in a later round instead of a guy who never makes it. Sometimes things work out in the end. Hawk as a GM got ripped for trading Bobby Bonilla after drafting him in the rule 5. Who knows, maybe Frank Thomas or Robin Ventura or Alex Fernandez are never White Sox if that doesn't happen. The Bulls lost a coin flip and got David Greenwood instead of Magic. If they had Magic, they never would have had Michael. I will take Michael. Wasn't that coin flip fixed? Been a long time. I might have the coin flip fiasco confused with the Worthy fiasco with Cleveland.

Why would the Nats DFA him in mid September?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 17, 2014 -> 05:01 PM) Nobody has said batting average doesn't matter, but it's a very shallow statistic that doesn't tell a hell of a lot. It's like considering the quality of a living room set and coming to a conclusion based on the middle cushion of the couch. This season, solely for the bat and the bat alone, would you have rather had a .260 hitter or a .300 hitter? You're response should not be "the .300 hitter!" but instead should be "What else have they done?" Because then I tell you the .260 hitter is Nelson Cruz, who just leads the majors in home runs, while the .300 hitter is Ben Revere, who doesn't walk and doesn't hit for power. Suddenly batting average has become a hell of a lot less important. Batting average is both important and easy to understand, but no one is saying that Ben Revere is a better hitter than Nellie Cruz.

There is a good chance Sox will catch Houston, too. They have a new manager and might step it up for him. The Rangers, Dbacks, and Rockies will be tough to catch. Since Houston has that comp pick at @2, looks like Sox might get #5 at this point.

Once Eaton got on first with his bunt single, it was gonna be tough to get Abreu to hit. I was hoping Eaton would steal second, then bunt him to third, but they would still have walked Abreu. I'm sure that once Eaton got on, Francona was not going to let Abreu beat him. Nothing Robin can do at that point. What was he supposed to do? Tell Leury to strike out so that he does not advance Eaton? I give Robin a pass on this one. In the bottom of the 10th, when Indians led off with a triple, conventional wisdom says load the bases to get a force anywhere. RV did that, and Surkamp struck out a lefty hitter. This where RV might have screwed up, bringing in Beli. I would have brought in Putnam with his great sinker/splitter and hope for double play. No pass here for Robin. Edit: And if 'bad manager' is the new subject here, be thankful that Bo Porter was not the Sox skipper.

QUOTE (Tmar @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 08:57 AM) I'll go with C, WAR is pretty dumb Best post of this entire thread.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 06:03 PM) 1 big problem. If the White Sox knew this, why did they trade for him? They should not have traded Reed for Davidson. I can't remember if I ever said that before in any other thread.

Not much happening today with short sked. Twinkies play LAA (Code Red pitching), AZ plays Pads late.

Does anyone remember how long before the Danks extension and his injury?