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QUOTE (Jake @ Oct 12, 2014 -> 11:29 AM) Your RHSP for the 2015 White Sox is starting for San Fran tonight I would be 100% ok with that.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 11, 2014 -> 12:01 PM) How high of a ceiling can be projected for a player that's struggling to hit his way out of AA? That's why I say, AT THIS POINT, when I refer to his ceiling is lower than Danks floor. Danks has made it to the big league club, something ( at this point) I doubt Trayce will be able to do. I hope I'm wrong. You have a clear misunderstanding of ceilings for prospects. Ceiling is everything goes right and clicks for them, not his current production.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 12, 2014 -> 09:18 AM) wow, I just thought of this. when the next batch of players move on up to the majors, the system is going to take a huge hit. I can imagine the sox dropping lower than 21. 1) That's assuming they don't draft well and restock. 2) Who gives a s***? If Rodon, Montas, Adams, Danish, Hawkins, Micah and Anderson turn into MLB contributors, we're looking pretty.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 10, 2014 -> 08:48 AM) I'm not so sure about that, although it depends on the definition of "good." We need at least 3-4 contributors from every draft, and at least one of them to be very good to catch up with all the bad drafts. I'm not sure a single MLB team can average 3-4 contributors for every drafts.

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Considering he wanted to step back from GMing due to stress / wanting to do a bit more scouting like he used to, I doubt this.

Water is wet.

I really hope Montas and Danish somehow break into the rotation by 2016. Sale Q Rodon Montas Danish Yum.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Oct 9, 2014 -> 03:22 PM) Exactly my point. Not only is he often injured, a terrible contract and what not. If you want the Sox to get him, they would have to trade away a package of some of their best prospects, which makes sense considering that they have been trying to rebuild the farm system up for the past few years. And the Rox would probably want Adams and Montas, and another prospect. That's a horrible deal for the Sox. We can trade the B-level prospects we get for Q for CarGo.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 9, 2014 -> 12:58 PM) Even if you want to ignore his splits, and IMO, a split with that big of a discrepancy should not be ignored, the only time GarGo played more than 135 games was in 2010. Who are you going to put out in LF the 30 games or more he misses? Ah yes, I forgot the common player that never needs to be spelled and we only carry 3 outfielders.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Oct 9, 2014 -> 04:13 AM) What if the Sox FO feels Rodon can slide into Q's spot and the team not miss a beat? That's how we could get a superstar hitter and still contend. Rodon could be that good in their eyes. Option 1 (Best case scenario): Have three legit aces. This is defining ace as a Top 30 pitcher in baseball, which would be the head of a staff. Sale - 8th best this year Quintana - 9th best Rodon - Ace potential You can add two average righties and that rotation still has the potential to be more frightening than any in the playoffs. Option 2 Sale Rodon 2 average righties Bad lefty/righty + some prospects

Instead of making this thread again, I'm bumping it so we can stop clogging other threads. Jose Quintana was the ninth best pitcher in baseball. Stop saying we should trade him.

Also, my favorite SoxTalk rant about homegrown players. Specifically Gio. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 31, 2012 -> 01:22 AM) I read the topic. Didn't care about anything else anybody else has said, so if what I say is aforementioned, then many kudos. - It depends upon which time you were talking about. Had the Sox not traded for Jim Thome, they'd have been left with an 02-04ish offense, hoping and praying that Frank Thomas could stay healthy. They'd still be destroyed by great right handed pitching, and as a result probably would have only won 87 games instead of 90. That's IF they had kept Thomas. Had they still let Thomas walk, the best case scenario I can see is that they would have ended up with Nomar Garciaparra. They still lose 3 wins. That's at the very best. Now, if you're an old school type who believes that protection in the lineup helps generate production from other players, than perhaps Jermaine Dye doesn't hit 44 home runs, perhaps Paul Konerko doesn't put up the exact same numbers as MVP Justin Morneau, and perhaps other pieces from the lineup fall as well. Perhaps the Sox lose 10 wins, are ridiculously far out of it at the break, and deal Freddy Garcia for 2 other prospects. And then never get Gio back, and after another very bad year in 2008, the Sox fire both Williams and Guillen and hire Dan Evans and Gene Lamont to run the team. I think we all know how that one goes. Now, had they not traded him the second time, which is the one I think you are getting at, having never read a single word of your post, then the Sox don't end up with Nick Swisher. Now, depending upon how strictly and strongly you believe in the statistic WAR, and whose definition you believe most in (baseballreference or fangraphs), the Sox are either better off without Swisher (-0.5 bWAR) or Nick Swisher was worth more than 1 win for the 2008 Chicago White Sox (1.3 fWAR). I give much more credence towards fWAR but I'm a homer, so do as you please. But since, in this revisionist's history, we are using that, and we are using it to mean Nick Swisher was literally worth 1+ more wins than the average Joe they could have put in place, then what we would have seen would have been DeWayne Wise putting up 2 WAR in August alone and -3 WAR in the months outside of that, given general estimation. On top of that, even had the Sox found a perfect replacement level player to play instead of Swisher, who would have put up exactly a 0 fWAR, the Sox would have given up the division lead in the second game in the Metrodome, the final win against Cleveland wouldn't have mattered, they'd have never played the makeup game against Detroit, and the blackout game would have never taken place, thus, no Griffey/Thome/Danks show, and we would have never seen the batting champion-to-be bunt in his last plate appearance of the year attempting to get on base. At that point in time, 2009 would have been far more disappointing, and the Sox almost certainly would have never had the resources to sign Dayan Viciedo during the 2008-09 offseason. They'd be in a full blown rebuilding mode, still with Dan Evans and Gene Lamont in charge. Going into the 4th year of Reinsdorf's always too generous length of stay, the Sox would be coming off their 2nd straight 90+ loss season with an absolute garbage product on the field but hope beyond hope in the minors with a top 10 system in the league. But atleast they'd still have Gio f***in Gonzalez.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 8, 2014 -> 03:15 PM) Better draft position... I think you mean ALCS.

Clearly we'd be in a better position with Andy Wilkins instead of Abreu*. *Not counting Abreu or Alexei as homegrown.

Damn that's a depressing read. Say what you will about Kenny, but if the GM version of him had been around in the 1990s, he would have pulled out all stops.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 08:13 PM) I think they are going to finish the Thanos story before they crack open the Civil war Agreed. I think the Thanos story line would set up Civil War.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 03:16 PM) Yeah I don't see him playing much this year. Unfortunately, that means Hinrich is gonna be playing like crazy. Hopefully not. I can actually see Mirotic actually playing the 3 at some points in time.

Spidey means Marvel can do Civil War and he'd add an interesting dynamic to a team of heroes with public identities. And if Marvel ever does Civil War, it'd shatter any and all box office records.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 03:08 AM) Yep, Quinarvy got me on the Reetz train as well. I will certainly be following his progress w/ the Nats. I wanted him so badly instead of Fry. Would have been a great first three picks.

Ugh

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 5, 2014 -> 12:12 AM) Are you a Sabes guy? I'm telling you there are intangibles in sports like momentum and magic whether you guys believe it or not. The White Sox performance in 05 came out of nowhere in the playoffs/Series. Team has pretty much stunk since 05 and not been all that amazing before 05. Yes we make the playoffs every once in a while. I don't care what Sabes says about guys like Crede and Rowand and Pods. They are VITAL to teams. Greg, seriously. Stop. Sabermetrics will also tell you that Crede, Rowand and Pods were great that year. Hell, Sabermetrics says that Rowand was the best player on the team that year. It was a well assembled team by Kenny Williams. It was a well managed team by Ozzie Guillen. It was a great team by both advanced and traditional metrics. Eye test as well. So stop trying to pick fights where there are no fights to pick and try to not use one of the most dominant teams ever as a selling point.

You only go for CarGo if they take Danks and send money. You send a package like Beck & Thompson in return with Danks.

Sabermetrics, traditional stats, etc. will ALL tell you that the 2005 White Sox were great. That pitching staff had a historic postseason. Honestly, the dominance of the '05 White Sox is/will be severely overlooked in history. Anyone think they might have been the most dominant of the past decade?

If a CarGo for Danks + prospect swap happened, I'd be 100% behind that.