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QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 4, 2013 -> 08:08 AM) AJ's teams have gone 34-50 the last three Septembers. But winning one ring 8 years ago gives him a lifetime pass to be a jackass and fail in September.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 3, 2013 -> 11:28 AM) Carlos Martinez wasn't thought very highly of (on this board) when the rumor appeared. What are you talking about? Everyone flipped out when the rumor said Hahn turned down Martinez for Ramirez.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 2, 2013 -> 09:00 PM) I don't really care about the jackass part if the player can back it up. I've heard Moustakas is a dick, which if true, is unacceptable to a team since he hasn't backed it up. You can't blame the choke jobs on AJ. Winning a ring (doesn't he have 2?) takes away any of that stuff. This is the dumbest f***ing thing you've ever said.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 2, 2013 -> 10:45 PM) Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 11m Source: #Tigers to hire Ausmus as manager. First reported @AdamSpolane. Thoughts? Makes less sense to me than the Robin Ventura hiring.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 2, 2013 -> 10:35 PM) Very underwhelming free agency class this year. Would anybody take a look at Sizemore? I know theres a good chance he ends up not playing or he just has nothing left, but what do we have to lose? Lillian is that you?

QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 2, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) Red Sox declined Thorntons option...I know a lot of people here hate him, but I wouldn't mind him back as a Loogy. Depending on the other moves we make I'd be ok with it.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 2, 2013 -> 05:24 PM) A lot of us are advocating Ellsbury because we want the Sox to compete ASAP and we also know theres financial room for him .Beyond that we also know there's a 90% chance it won't happen because he should defintely get more than the 5yr/100M me and scs87 wish he'd get. We want to get as good as possible as fast as possible while we still have our good core of starting pitching. This is where we have our fundamental difference. You think we were so bad that its going to take a while to compete again wheras we see a lot of close loses thats can be turned into wins with defensive , hitting and baserunning improvement and Ellsbury provide s all 3 of those things . That's why guys like Ellsbury and Manny Machado and a handful of other are so valuable. There just aren't that many players in baseball who are good offensively and defensively. Then throw in his baserunning . It's very difficult to develop minor league pieces that might be ready right when our starting pitching starts disintegrating. You also said when we get close then add that one big free agent piece but going after that piece and getting it are 2 very different things. But I've enjoyed the discussion on both sides and am glad a poll or thread about Ellsbury didn't have to be made in order for everyone to get their 2 cents worth in about it. Here's why I'm advocating for Ellsbury. We could give him 7yr/$140M and McCann 5yr/$80M because our payroll is so low right now. Then Dunn comes off the books and McCann can become the DH eventually. Ellsbury is an all around player who did just steal 50 bags and I can't expect his speed to disappear completely next year. I'm paying him that money for the next 2-4 years of him being a top flight player. His defense, ability to get on base, and power that he does have makes him incredibly valuable. Same for McCann. I don't expect him to be a top flight C for his entire tenure in Chicago if he were here, but to get 2-3 years out of him then DH him? Sign me up. Ellsbury and McCann, combined with Abreu, completely changes the complexion of the lineup. Ellsbury vastly improves the defense. Add in a full season of Avi and you may have the workings of a good offense to compliment the pitching staff. You could be in contention next year. Edit: Also, for reference: AJ was 28 when we signed him and Dye was 30.

I'd be all in for giving Ellsbury a $140M/7 years Frontload it, give a signing bonus, and do a PK style deferred payment.

I liked the old logo and scheme. But this is sick.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 1, 2013 -> 12:57 PM) So you said all this without answering my question...what do they have that might be available for Alexei that could make sense as a return for him? Carlos Martinez and that's about as low as I go.

Those are both god awful deals. Dodgers would be lucky if we just ate Ethier's entire contract. Alexei is leaps and bounds better than Freese.

I'd bring him back as insurance for Rienzo and Johnson.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 03:27 PM) #STEALTHMODE Kenny Williams to stand pat at deadline.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 08:09 AM) Anyone want to change their profile description to "Statnik"? Should definitely be Greg's title.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 09:29 PM) This quickly went from a top 5 thread to a bottom 5 thread. Lock it up mods. This thread was so great...then that stopped.

Cubano is back!

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 07:40 PM) Please people we need to stop bringing up Ellsbury and McCann. There is no way Hahn is going to fork over $150 million contract for Ellsbury or $80-100 million for McCann. We are still rebuilding towards the future and neither of these players fall in that category. What makes Ellsbury 30 years of age a solid player is his elite speed. He might have 2 more years tops of that speed. He will get a minimum of at least 6 years. Hahn has no interest in having huge contract when he's playing during Years 30-38. Same thing with McCann who will turn 30 in the offseason and catchers start to see a huge drop off by Age 32. He's already had shoulder surgery and his best years are already behind him. Again it will take 5-6 years to sign him. I hope and believe Hahn will take a pass on the elite free agents this offseason. I hope we do something very similar to what Epstein/Hoyer did last offseason and that's sign players to 1 year deals and see how the team does. If the team is horrible again which I believe will happen again you then have the fallback plan to trade them off to continue building our farm system for the future. He's already done a great job getting Abreu signed for his prime years and without costing any draft picks/allocation money for the draft. I'd rather not do anything the Cubs did.

If you got Lawrie for Gordon + Danks, that'd be awesome. If you got Lawrie+, especially if it's Sanchez or Stroman, you've got a coup. And yeah, beating a dead horse, but with Danks off the books I can easily see them pushing for both McCann and Ellsbury.

QUOTE (Jake @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 09:28 PM) I'm happy to have Conger, though I'm not sure what price I'm willing to pay. Sign me up for Bourjos+Conger for Santiago though Yeah, keep Q's name out of this one.

Well this sucks.

Need to stop the bleeding.

On track for highest scoring game of all time.

DEAR LORD DERRICK

Well, that was a s***ty foul.

f***ing Chalmers.