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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:23 PM) His BABIP has always been on the high end. I agree with you on the high strikeouts. That rate is only going to rise the vast majority of the time, when you start to face better pitching. I am not a big Sanchez guy, but he is better than he has shown. I'm #TeamSanchez and I agree. When I say I'm #TeamSanchez, I'm saying I think he can be 75-80 wRC+ with good defense, not any kind of star. But that really goes back to the whole "trade Sale" stuff. I truly believe that when all the chips fall, Sanchez is an 80, Melky is a 100, Eaton is a 110, and Abreu is a 135, and if all that can happen, the team can win a ton more games. I'm the offical Anti-Avi and I still think he can give us 100. It certainly might be too big a hole to dig out of this year, but I don't think you actually have to fill 7 holes on the diamond like it LOOKS right now.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:24 PM) Avi has to learn how to hit an inside fastball from righties. His current approach is terrible. Fixed

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) Has Avi's knee contributed to his recent poor play? He was our best hitter before he went down, and since he's come back his performance has plummeted. I'm not blaming it all on the knee but that has to be part of it, right? When he was hitting well, his BABIP was ~.450. Now it's down to .348, which is still pretty high, but it's had a long way to fall so it's probably been much lower over the last 3-4 weeks . Basically, everything was falling for him for 6 weeks or so. It's the same thing that happened to Tyler Flowers during his Magic Glasses session last year. EDIT: I admit this is an oversimplification, but I think it explains a lot of it. ANOTHER EDIT: I looked at the wrong number, his BABIP is still pretty high, correct BABIP in now.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:14 PM) No, not even close. You're really grasping at straws. It's differentiating between "star" and "great player." You're circumventing the argument because it goes against the "we can't rebuild because Sox" crap argument you've made for years. But you defined that distinction specifically on popularity, which is irrelevant. Billboards sell when the brand is popular, and the brand is popular when the team wins. We should only care about talent, not likeability.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:10 PM) Agreed. That proposal is a joke. Sale's return would be unprecedented. Maybe Urias, Seager and Grandal get the Sox listening, but that I still don't think that's enough...maybe taking Danks contract too. He way undervalues Abreu. If he was a FA this offseason, he would have gotten a $200M deal. He'd get the Sox a HAUL if they wanted to move him. I don't think the Sox are thinking of moving Abreu or Sale, but it does make some sense if you could get Seager, Urias and Grandal for Sale and something slightly less for Abreu. Then trade Shark, Robertson and anything else that is able to be moved (Alexei, LaRoche, Beckham, etc.) and get as much as you can. It's intriguing, but this isn't going to happen. Cameron doesn't undervalue our guys -- he had Sale and Abreu in the top 10 in his trade value rankings last year. Sale was his top-ranked pitcher in all of baseball. If anything, he is overvaluing the prospects themselves, or, more accurately, he disagrees with how our board values prospects. I don't agree with that proposal either, but this isn't some kind of Sox-hate thing, no matter how fun that seems to be around here for some reason.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 12:36 PM) Personally, I'd ask for Grandal, Seager and Urias for Sale and Danks. Wouldn't mind getting a quality starting catcher and 2 of the top 5 prospects in all of baseball while freeing up money with Danks gone. If you're moving Sale, you're not going to tie an anchor to him to save money. Without Sale, there's no need to reinvest that $14m next year anyway, and SOMEONE is going to have to soak those innings up.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:43 PM) From the comment thread on the article: "The cost is high but he’s definitely not untouchable if only due to his contract. If Sale is to earn roughly $50MM over the rest of his contract and puts up $150MM in value, that’s $100MM in value they need to get back. Using a market rate of $8MM/Win, that’s 12.5 WAR they would need in order to move him. Doesn’t seem untouchable to get back several prospects who can be expected to contribute that amount, but they would need to be very good prospects. Even with Javier Baez’s terrible ML line last year, his KATOH projection is still over 5 WAR. Combined with Schwarber and Alcantara, and the players Dave proposed seem perfectly reasonable." What the hell is KATOH? How reliable are prospect projections anyway? What if Schwarber can't cut it at catcher or LF and ends up becoming a DH, thus lowering his value considerably? KATOH is a very new, very raw, and very much NOT consensus way to identify prospect talent. It was developed by some kid who Fangraphs then hired, but even the kid himself will tell you that, at this point, it's an interesting data point to use more than it's a reliable projector.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:24 PM) So move cost controlled young assets for a rebuild? Huh. My thoughts exactly.

Sale and the Royals.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 12:33 AM) Poor relief pitchers/closers. Almost all of em suck after a couple years. Even the Royals' closer now has been on the DL this year and some are calling for Davis to replace Holland. It's a no win job. You will suck after a couple years of greatness unless your name is Rivera. Exactly. Which is why no one should be upset that we traded an arbitration-eligible reliever for a good 3B prospect, even if that prospect busts. It's worth a shot when the alternative is Connor Gillaspie.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) Honestly, I wouldn't even trade Danks for Castro. Wait, what? Are you serious?

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 11:09 AM) They really have a month left to get hot. If they don't get hot right now, then some players will get traded, and they'll simply not have enough talent the last couple months. I'm all for them going 18-10 the next 28, but the bats are just dead. We'll see what the next few weeks bring. They really have about two weeks, IMO. The way the SP market is unfolding, the Sox need to strike first with Samardzija.

Jesus f***

If you can't score two f***ing runs, it doesn't matter when you pull the pitcher.

They're going to trade Jeff Samardzija and maybe a reliever. Everyone else is going to be expected to play better next year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 11:34 AM) Under normal circumstances (i.e. 2014) I would totally agree with Shys. It's no longer normal circumstances. We're now staring over an abyss, that makes more drastic responses something we need to consider. No we're not, lol. We're already IN a rebuild. Just because a bunch of guys are having s***ty years doesn't mean you blow up again. Samardzija will be traded or QO'd for a pick, Melky will bounce back to some degree, and Robertson and LaRoche (though the latter has been slumping recently) are fine. Eaton will bounce back. Should be another eventful offseason. Fortunately it looks like Rodon is here to stay, so our top three starters are affordable and locked up. Danks has another year so that is what it is. We go into the offseason searching for a #4 starter, 3B, and C. We'll still have a bunch of strong bullpen pieces in place. Danks remains the only albatross and he's only got one more year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 12:22 PM) Pitchfork crowd....not pacified in the least. (Although we have proven one thing, that we can rehabilitate guys like Humber and Noesi, to a point...only to dump them for nothing in return but the loss of that valuable playing time and experience which SHOULD have gone to a long-term solution from the minors but couldn't since there was nobody ready in the minors.") Shudders thinking of Carroll facing the Rangers the way they're going right now, which is probably why they want to protect Rodon after his last outing. "Good luck Jamie, take one for the team, buddy!" Where's that long-term solution?

QUOTE (MEANS @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) Carrol up, Noesi DFA'd Welp, that should get the wins rolling in.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 10:00 AM) Let's use LA for instance. You are at least asking for a package starting with this: Corey Seagar Julio Urias Joc Pederson Howie Kendrick His point is that LAD would never do that, so this is a pointless discussion.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 04:31 PM) FIRE SOMEONE DFA SOMEONE OTHERWISE YOUR ASS SHOULD BE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK.

O/U Runs scored by White Sox tonight: 0.5

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 10:14 PM) In his 3 pre Steroid seasons he was 68, 94, 77. Evidence to support my claim.

Whatever

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 01:19 PM) How long does he have to be this bad before we use that term? 4 months? 6? How much money would you like to put on him being worth 4+ fWAR over his full contract, which would be a significant overpay for that production level? Melky Cabrera is not a true-talent 52 wRC+ hitter.

Re-draft has Hoffman at #2, Schwarber at #3.