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Dunn + Beckham + Danks + $10m sounds like a nice "stop the bleeding" package. If we could get one decent prospect and a flyer or two back, I'd be all over it.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 01:23 AM) With the OBPs on that team, they would have finished in the bottom 5 in offense without the homers. Which is as much an argument that they needed more OBP as it is that they needed so many homers.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 05:09 PM) How many catchers have 100 strikeouts this year? I don't know

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 12:31 AM) The Mariners, 3-4 seasons ago, built a "defense first team" for Safeco. The Cardinals and Royals in the mid-80's built teams specifically for AstroTurf play...you can argue the Blue Jays did the same exact thing. The Twins and Rays also come to mind. And the Mariners failed spectacularly. What is a team specifically built for Astroturf play? One full of guys with strong knees? How are the Rays built for their park?

That seems like not a good way to measure overall bullpen quality. Should meltdowns in other innings not count?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 05:44 PM) The 2005 Sox hit 200 HRs, which was 5th in all of baseball. Which led to a 9th ranked offense in runs. They don't give you wins based on homers, they give you wins based on runs. Homers are great, but they are just one component of an effective offense.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 04:21 PM) Except we play at our park 81 times and the opposing team does not? Why wouldn't we tailor our offense around the characteristics of our park? And in all 81 home games, we play a team that is also affected by the park we're in. I can't think of any team that's been successful building a winner by tailoring the team to its extreme park. Colorado and San Diego have the most extreme parks and have tried the hardest. And before someone says it, Yankees have a bunch of good left handed power hitters doesn't help them because of the short porch; it helps them because good left handed power hitters are helpful.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 06:10 PM) I don't buy the clubhouse chemistry thing. First off, the team is about 40 under .500 since he left. If getting him off the team helped the chemistry, I hope they go back to the bad where they actually won a World Series. Secondly, if he was as hated as the people who have never been in the clubhouse on game day seem to think, I doubt the White Sox would have signed him to the 3 or 4 contracts they signed him to, and kept him around 8 seasons. That said, if the Sox are ready to pull the plug on Flowers, at this point, they need to see if there is any hope with Phegley before they bring back AJ. I'm not thinking that he is naturally a good or bad component to clubhouse chemistry -- I'm just thinking that he is a very vocal and active figure that will affect it for better or for worse. It's a very different team since he left, and we don't know how they'd react to AJ, we just know that they WILL react some way. It'd be like dumping sodium into a random compound to see what it did. Maybe it would be a disaster, or maybe nothing, but we know sodium tends to react spectacularly with a lot fo things, so it's a more substantial risk than with something more stable.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 09:13 PM) When have we ever worried more about pitch counts than effectiveness? How many times do I have to explain this to you? This is like the 3-4th time, honestly. Lol every fire Robin thread has something about overusing Sale in it.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 09:10 PM) I'd have preferred to start the 9th up 4-0. You guys with the Robin Ventura posters on your ceilings can defend him all you want, but you'd also defend anything he did. He compounds this bulls*** with these non-sensical moves. But keep pretending like the s*** he does makes sense. Every time Sale pitches in the 9th someone starts a whole thread about how Ventura should be fired for running his pitch counts up.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 03:01 PM) How many catchers in baseball have 10+ homers this year? Especially considering his home park for 81 games. Again, where is the sense in judging a hitter on one single outcome?

It is true that it's a risk to clubhouse chemistry. Not a ton of upside for the field this year. I'd lean pass.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 04:55 PM) There has not been much of a difference offensively with Pierzynski the superior hitter thus far. However, a rather small point but a valid one nonetheless, is that Pierzynski has thrown out just 9 of 47 (19%) potential base stealers while Flowers has thrown out 17 of 55 (31%). I don't have the pitch framing numbers handy, but I imagine those are fairly comparable. I couldn't care less either way. AJ Pierzynski is a Proven Closer™ and you know it.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 03:17 PM) Correct, but we also need a balanced offense. Can't play 81 games at the Cell without multiple power threats. Why not? All the park factor does is move the standard for normal for both teams. If we have a bunch of power-less hitters, they'll still hit more homers at USCF than at a neutral park. And that will be equalized by the fact that opponents will too.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 02:59 PM) Players who will project to hit 15 or more homers next season: Abreu maybe Garcia How is that going to play at USCF? Not seeing the logic here. Park factors act as moving reference points; they don't change the amount of runs required to win. They affect both teams equally.

There are pros and cons to acquiring AJP, but neither of them are very extreme. If we do or don't, I won't be upset.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/red-...assignment.html The TRADE WIND implications should be obvious. We have Flowers, AJP is now available. I am not advocating acquiring him, but some will. Let's just dump all of this here. It's better to contain it in a single thread, right?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 11:46 AM) Yeah, that's the problem. Even when he finally does start making contact again, he's bound for some more bad luck. This slump, considering the total lack of contact, has to be one of the worst in White Sox history. At least we know what we have -- no shoulder injury or split time to use as an excuse. But, man, it really exposes the biggest hole in our system, loudly and publicly.

QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 10:05 AM) I just thought it was unusual that Tyler had hit so well at the beginning of the season to fall so low. Lately he appears to be swinging the bat anywhere that the ball isn't. We all saw this coming. Earlier in the year, everything he made contact with found a hole. He had like a .700 BABIP. It fell, like it always falls for every player ever, and now it's at .348 and he's a 59 wRC+ hitter who will be non-tendered and given a minor league contract somewhere.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 11:08 AM) Would you all take a top ten draft pick even if it was caused Abreu having a terrible 2nd half that make people think he was "figured out". I would not.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 10:28 AM) I'll let Dick Allen list them if he wants to... So we don't want to make any effort at all to compete for the playoffs/Wild Card while simultaneously we don't care about our draft pick/s next year, either? MEHHHH.... The point is that there is good talent available in the middle of the first round. The fact that the Sox have sucked at finding it in the past is not a good reason that they should just not try, or that they never will be able to find it. Analogy: Shaq sucked at free throws, but that doesn't mean he should have stopped trying to hit free throws, because they are still worth a point each if he can manage to hit them.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) It better be for Maurer and Erasmo Ramirez. It'll be just Erasmo. Viciedo for Erasmo.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 10:38 PM) You mean the road to the 14th-18th draft pick in the 1st round....? I'd rather they were 10 games under .500, improved the team with the best trades for prospects at the deadline and all the key players for next season were completely healthy/successful in Abreu, Sale, Quintana, Eaton and Avisail. I'd call it the road to substantial improvement in a single offseason. Or the road to the fringes of what might be a core that's already worth adding free agents to next year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 08:23 PM) 9 for his last 102 with 49 strikeouts. I don't remember a position player with a streak so bad. Nope, they usually get optioned/DFA'd before it gets that bad.

Who do you want to trade?