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QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 14, 2014 -> 03:41 PM) I disagree. You are a beautiful man. Beautiful men can be smellfaces.

I cannot fathom such utter lack of control.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2014 -> 11:00 AM) But you're missing a huge portion of the equation there...how badly team needs to move payroll, what team has coming up behind it, what state team is for duration of player's contract. The White Sox clearly needed to move Jake Peavy's $15 million, they had no use for him this year, they thought they had a guy who could replace him until EJ completely blew up, and there was at the time virtually no chance of fielding a competitive team before his contract ends. None of those are true with Ramirez. The Sox can afford his contract, he's still useful to them, there's no clear-cut "ready to replace him right now" candidate, and it's entirely possible that they'll be fielding a competitive team before his contract ends. Thus the White Sox should also be in a position to hold out for a higher price or decide not to move him at all. If they don't move him I will not be mad. If they didn't move Peavy I'd have been very mad. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 14, 2014 -> 11:27 AM) The quality of the player matters though too. Ramirez is not the defensive player he was 2-3 years ago and his offense hasn't gotten any better (or worse, for that matter). He may be the best SS on the market, but that doesn't immediately make him worth a top 25-50 prospect or two top 100 prospects. Peavy was coming off a very good season and he hadn't pitched poorly leading up to his trade last year either. Again, I'm not saying they have to deal Ramirez, but I think you have to be more willing to deal him than you are suggesting. I also think you're overrating Alexei in two years. We're talking about an already declining player getting further from his prime versus a promising player getting closer to his prime. In 2016, how likely is it that Alexei is a better player than Carlos Sanchez? I don't think Sanchez is a sure thing at all, but it feels like the most likely outcome is close to a wash. And in this case, the cost of betting against both Sanchez' development and Alexei's age is forfeiting a quality return that (if we don't botch it) will be relevant by 2016, either in terms of trading chips or players coming up.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2014 -> 10:48 AM) Alexei ought to be quite a bit higher priced than Peavy. Signed for an extra year as a team option, less expensive, putting up ~ equal value in the advanced statistic world. That's not how price is determined, though. How many teams are involved + how badly the teams need to fill a hole + quality of available prospects on the teams involved + number and quality of other options available on the market + how attitudes and prices have changed regarding prospects and veterans = what he's "worth." My opinion is that he's "worth" a Peavy-deal, but that has nothing to do with how he compares to Peavy, that's just a good proxy for the amount of prospect talent I'm referring to.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2014 -> 10:26 AM) That's fine, if we don't get a top 10 in MLB prospect that's ok, but if we can't get somewhere in the range of top 25-ish or couple top-100 then I don't have any good reason to listen. I don't think he's worth that -- I understand you want to hold out for an overpay, but I think we should be willing to move him for fair market value.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2014 -> 07:26 AM) Then he shouldn't be traded. I think I would make that deal. It's not that Alexei isn't good, it's that he's not as good as his hot start and that he's old enough that he's likely to decline over the next few years. I'm not sure that 34/35 year old Alexei is that much better than 24/25 year old Carlos Sanchez with a couple seasons under his belt.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 13, 2014 -> 09:43 PM) Who's gonna play SS? It would be Leury Garcia and Carlos Sanchez for the foreseeable future.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Jul 13, 2014 -> 09:39 PM) is it safe to assume alexei would net a player similar to what jeff samardzija got the cubs? i think the time to deal alexei is NOW. Not even remotely close. IMO, the best case scenario for Alexei is the Jake Peavy-esque return from last year -- one back-end top 100 guy and a handful of interesting flyers.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 12:25 PM) WHIP isn't the best metric. They gambled on stuff like FIP, xFIP and SIERA. Same with the guy they just got from Oakland, way better peripherals than ERA. QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 01:02 PM) But at some point reality should match peripherals if the peripherals are valid. 10 years is getting to be a good sample size. Dave Cameron spent some time on the last podcast explaining that soft-tossers, specifically referencing McCarthy and the changes he's made this year, can end up underpeforming their FIP by choosing to stay in the zone to increase strikeouts and reduce walks. The cost of throwing strikes to acheive those is of course that mistakes are hit harder -- and when you throw 88, you're going to get nailed more than guys that sit in the mid-90's.

Kluber is so good. Another 10 k night, methinks. But if Noesi has another stellar outing, we could be reaching the point where it isn't just a hot streak soon.

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Jul 11, 2014 -> 10:07 AM) I must have gotten my information from Jon Heyman lol

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 06:07 PM) Well, that's a pleasant surprise. Extras. Belisario gets Napoli, Putnam and Rienzo are in the pen. When's the last time Rienzo pitched? Seems like a month ago. I forgot we had Rienzo.

Belisario. You guys ready to name other pitchers from the bullpen that could have been put in instead?

I have a feeling RV is going to lose us this game by allowing his pitchers to give up hits/homers.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 01:07 PM) Baseball America now reporting $6.582M for Rodon signing. This puts them over the limit and into 75% tax penalty territory on the overage (by about 385k), but stays just/short of draft pick loss territory. Also means Montes de Oca and Choplick almost assuredly won't be signed. The interesting thing about that number is that you'd assume Boras was absolutely trying to get them into "forfeit the pick" territory, which would have been a fascinating (and terrible) precedent to set. That Boras has some stones, can't take that from him.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 12:41 PM) You'd be surprised, he's under control through 2016, pitching great at the moment, and isn't even 30...NYY is desperate for quality starting now too, really desperate, I'll admit maybe my propositions are a little too high but an actual deal would be right around there The problem is his salary -- there's no surplus value there. I think the O'Brien package without Severino is more realistic. Maybe a bit more if we pick up most of the tab. Kingham, though, I can't imagine would ever be in the conversation. But I hope you're right, haha.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 12:30 PM) I'm the one who always suggests overpaying for catchers (hence my 4/$40 for Salty this offseason), but I have no problem giving Martin a lot of money. Say, 2 years, $22 mill - $10 year 1, $10 year 2, $2 mill buyout or $12 mill team year 3. Yep. I think guys like that are extremely valuable even if they don't hit. I'd take a 90 wRC+ from him and be thrilled. And he clearly wouldn't be blocking anyone.

Someone else can pay to watch James Shields fall apart. I would LOVE to pay Russell Martin $8m for the next two or three years, though.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 12:21 PM) Moves that must be done: Hokey Pokey Right leg in Right leg out Right leg in, shaken all about Do the Hokey Pokey (turn yourself around) I'd rather wait until the offseason

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 11:15 AM) "Just give us Aaron Sanchez and Anthony Gose, they're not even having that good of years in the minors." "No on Sanchez. You can have Gose and two Single A rando arms." "Ok, but I'm not sending the $10m then." "Send me $8m." "No." ... "I'll keep it in mind. We've got a lot of balls in the air right now."

Danks is NOT worth anything like those prospects.

Dunn + Beckham + Danks + $10m sounds like a nice "stop the bleeding" package. If we could get one decent prospect and a flyer or two back, I'd be all over it.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 01:23 AM) With the OBPs on that team, they would have finished in the bottom 5 in offense without the homers. Which is as much an argument that they needed more OBP as it is that they needed so many homers.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 05:09 PM) How many catchers have 100 strikeouts this year? I don't know

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2014 -> 12:31 AM) The Mariners, 3-4 seasons ago, built a "defense first team" for Safeco. The Cardinals and Royals in the mid-80's built teams specifically for AstroTurf play...you can argue the Blue Jays did the same exact thing. The Twins and Rays also come to mind. And the Mariners failed spectacularly. What is a team specifically built for Astroturf play? One full of guys with strong knees? How are the Rays built for their park?