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I think the trade deadline is pretty quiet. Abreu is def ROY now that Tanaka is down.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 01:22 PM) Viciedo would fit right in with KC. Undisciplined hitter who doesn't draw walks. And he'd be a total disaster in the vast outfield there. Talk to your people in Kansas. Let's get this done. Can we still get Chris Getz back? I think he retired.

QUOTE (venom4789 @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 02:29 PM) I personally hate keith law. I hope no one is wasting their money on insider. It's like $3 a month and it gives you access to way more than Keith Law.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) Actually, he's still getting better, across the board, so this is premature. While he's definitely regarded as one of the best in the game currently, his ABSOLUTE ceiling is the best-of-his-generation, IMO. Kershaw is the guy with the best possibility of achieving that status, but does Clayton, or anyone, have more raw talent than Sale? I don't think so. All of this is beside the point I was making. Yeah, okay, maybe he develops a way to shoot lasers out of his eyes that distract the batter and he throw 9 straight no-hitters or whatever. He's a consensus top 4 pitcher in the Majors, that's about as high a "ceiling" as anyone has ever layed on a prospect.

I don't have one.

I mean it's gonna be "cash considerations"

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 12:26 PM) He hasn't sold me on this quite yet, was that just a result of him being rushed? Yeah, it looked to me like he was just overmatched. To my eyes, he struck out a bunch because he got TOO deep in counts and wasn't able to handle big league wipeout pitches.

Weird. Good luck to Dylan

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 12:37 PM) He has. I've read Law answering questions about poor deliveries in prospects and saying something to the effect of "Well it worked out for Sale..." Chris Sale's sucess has obviously rocked Keith Law to his very core. I don't know, he wrote a pretty empassioned All-Star snub piece on Chris Sale that made him seem almost like a fanboy: http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/...ses-and-snubs-2 I still think everything Law said about Sale in draft was totally reasonable. Sale DOES have a funky delivery, unconventional body, and a low arm slot. Those things typically lead to relievers with durability and platoon issues. We're all aware that flukey things happen and guys occasionally reach their ABSOLUTE ceilings like Sale has, but on paper (where, let's be honest, most of us are forced to get most of our info), Sale was a guy who ends up as a lefty-specialist 95%+ of the time. Sox gambled and won, and I'm glad they did and I'm glad to give the credit to their scouting dept., but it was still a gamble and thus the argument not to make the gamble in the first round is defensible.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 12:05 PM) Who was the last prospect the Sox had ranked in the top 10? Gotta be Joe Borchard, right?

Sale ranked #11 in FanGraph's trade value rankings, the highest rank pitcher in the majors: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2014-trade-value-20-11/

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 09:25 AM) If the Sox could actually get Victor Sanchez for Viciedo I would love that move. That was my reaction, too.

We need every remotely decent RP arm we can get at this point. Given the returns wouldn't be big anyway, I think we should hoard rather than trade.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 08:11 AM) Because he would fit a need perfectly. An OF of Pederson, Eaton, and Garcia is cheap and has a ton of upside to contribute to the offensive core for the next 5 years. Right but why would the Dodgers ever trade him? There's been no indication of him being available at all, and most of the reason Dodger OF trades come up in the first place is because they want to move someone expensive to make ROOM for Pederson.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 08:08 AM) You've made a very poor case here. If given the choice between Kemp and giving up Viciedo or having $50 million to spend on generic FA to fill positional needs I'm clearly leaning the latter. That's fair. Like I said, I'm not sure I'd like it either, I just think there's enough there to think about it. Again, predicated on the fact that there's a decent chance Kemp could actually "return to form" if healthy. But if it came down to us spending $50m on this or, say, Russell Martin, I'll take Martin every time.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 07:37 AM) Matt Kemp has put up a .269/.329/.414/.743 line over the past 2 years, has played poor defense, has become an injury prone player, and he's due $107 million from 2015 through 2019. There's virtually no difference between Matt Kemp and Dayan Viciedo except that Viciedo has youth on his side. Well, and that he's two years removed from an MVP-level campaign. Dayan's "platform" season, on the other hand, was the one where he hit 25 homers and still somehow managed not to touch 100 wRC+. I'm not saying we should get him, but if a couple plausible conditions were met, it might be worth considering because it is indeed an upside play: (1) we believe that he is fully healthy (or soon to be) for the first time since his success, and (2) the Dodgers are willing to make him into a $50m investment (instead of $107m) and only ask for a few "interesting flyer" types of prospects. Something like Snodgress, Wendelken, and a random. Ideally, this would correspond with a "change of scenery" trade that got rid of Viciedo and/or De Aza. You'd stick him in LF from day one and enjoy a rather nice defensive upgrade from those two guys (he's miscast in CF, but we have Eaton), and if he has trouble staying healthy, it's the perfect opportunity to shift into the A's-style rotating DH model (with the departures of both Dunn and Konerko) where we essentially carry 4 starting OFers and give them all plenty of rest. Now, it would be a tremendous risk that I'm not even sure I'd take, but it does make some sense to consider given that we have few high payroll commitments and don't seem to be great fits with any big free agents coming soon.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 17, 2014 -> 07:17 AM) Also if w're talking about small finds here that turned into something much bigger, the same guy who found & recommended Mark to us also found a guy named Albert Pujols who of course we didn't draft. I'm sure there are lots of others but IIRC Pujols went 5th round or later, so that one kind of hurts. I think he went outside the 10th round even.

FWIW: Fangraphs recognized Quintana in the annual trade value rankings as #37, right ahead of Byron Buxton and in the same "tier" as contemporaries Sonny Gray and Yordano Ventura: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2014-trade-value-40-31/ He's great and he isn't showing any signs at all the it's a fluke.

QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 10:20 PM) Flying Serpent? Quetzalcoatl

Interesting question. I say no, because: 1. The Sox really don't NEED to dump any salary, and 2. Santiago was a ticking time bomb with his peripherals when he was with us, leading me to believe that we got lucky and sold high rather than we have magic coaching that makes him okay. The stuff that happened to him in Anaheim was stuff that SHOULD have happened based on DIPS.

QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 11:43 AM) I agree, but with the way Danks has been pitching, he's also a pretty nice trade asset. On the downside, who replaces him in the rotation? He doesn't have surplus value though, because his contract pays him every penny he's worth and then a touch more. You'd have to take the entire contract and then still find someone who believes his season is for real. Maybe that's a good move for us, but I don't think it's likely to occur. Which, IMO, makes him worth more to us than anyone else. We should at least be able to expect him to hold down our 3 or 4 spot in a serviceable manner for the next couple years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 10:34 AM) I love pieces like this. The game of baseball is so much more than any of us know or understand, and I love the insight given from a piece like that. All of the subtlety and nuances. Wow. Totally. I highly recommend anything David Laurila does. Most interviews with athletes are just total garbage, IMO. Laurila seems to find a way to ask interesting questions that actually give us insight into what they do. It's never stuff like, "how important is 'winning to you?" or whatever.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:24 AM) I am guessing that Micah today will look a lot like a no-glove version of Leury. No need to rush Johnson. I agree, not at all. I'd rather see Semien up for good in Beckham's place. Would like to see them do everything they can to get Sanchez to stick at SS.

HOF is such a joke

I just don't see us getting anything of real quality back if we don't move Alexei.