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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/06/weak...l#disqus_thread Lol.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 3, 2013 -> 01:46 PM) How did this Dunn thread turn into a bash fest of my favorite Sox player and skipper of all time, Ozzie Guillen? I'll try to get it back on track by saying ... please White Sox, just release Adam Dunn. Why? Why pay him not to play? Who needs those ABs?

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Jun 3, 2013 -> 10:02 AM) Editors from Baseball America just did their mock draft. Have the Sox picking HS catcher NICK CIUFFO. Definitely do not see the White Sox picking him. After what Lauman had to say about being happy with the organizational depth in the minors. Yeah, I also think MLB Network is the only organization that thinks the catchers are strong this year. Everything I've read has been the opposite.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 3, 2013 -> 10:58 AM) Except Dunn and Danks are still looming over our future VERY MUCH the next 1 1/2 years. Looking around the rest of the AL Central, there isn't a single contract worse than Dunn's or one riskier than Danks, although I'm sure Verlander, Mauer and Fielder will draw some arguments. KW also left the farm system in much worse shape than when he became a GM. The question is how much further we need to fall before there's light at the end of the tunnel? There are also legitimate concerns about Alexei Ramirez's contract, maybe not this season, but in the next couple of years. Not to mention Viciedo's worrisome OPS against RHP and the future of the catching position. We can get rid of Beckham and Flowers and DeAza, but then we still have to replace them, and none of those candidates exist inside our system AND are ready to make an impact in the next 2-3-4 months. Finally, we're left with pretty much no assets to trade that won't cripple this year's team...except for maybe Erik Johnson. So not sure if lucky would be the word I would use...having had to discount tickets this year to get roughly the same amount of attendance and inevitably behind last year's tv ratings as well. Another season like 2011 isn't going to be fun for anyone. Danks is the bad contract. Dunn is a sunk cost but it's only one more year. Alexei's is fine for an average SS. Hahn will have plenty of money to spend with Rios/Peavy/Konerko gone.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 3, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) When does DFA become a real option? When someone else demands his playing time.

Yeah, it's important to note how little money we have in long-term commitments. After 2014, it's Sale and Danks and nothing else. Peavy and Rios will likely be traded either this deadline or next. Konerko likely retires, leaving us to sit through one more year of Dunn as the primary first baseman. That's possibly also a transitional period for Viciedo -- we have a bunch of OF that need to break into the Majors and no plausible long-term replacement for Konerko/Dunn at first. But this is why we're in a much better position than the Astros and Cubs have been -- we don;t have any work to do to clear out roster flexibility. This current group we can call Kenny's Final All-in is already almost done. KW can take the blame for not winning this time around, but he needs some major credit for not crippling the franchise in the process.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 3, 2013 -> 05:59 AM) Better defense = runs, says Hawk Yeah, that was priceless. Twitter question of the day: "What is one move the White Sox could make to shake up the offense and get them to score runs?" Hawk's answer: "You need to get Gordon Beckham back to improve the defense at second base."

In the likely (but not certain) event that Beckham comes back and is the player he always was, the fans are going to hate him extra because of how much nonsense Hawk has been spewing about him turning the season around. I feel like Hawk has done him a huge disservice -- everyone was comfortable with him not being very good before.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 3, 2013 -> 08:27 AM) The video the MLB Network showed of Wilson last night made him look awful. Phillip Ervin is the best of the outfielders they're considering, in my opinion. I will third that. Him and Judge both look like they need their swings completely re-built. Also, it was clear Harold Reynolds had no idea what was going on, lol. Clearly didn't know anything about any of the players. His "comps" were hilarious. "When I see Austin Wilson, I'm seeing some Billy Butler!"

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 3, 2013 -> 08:08 AM) His OPS will be in the .600s shortly. Much like the bulk of our God awful roster. What's your point with all this? We all acknowledge that we're over-enamored with him now because of how bad the rest of the roster is, but he's still like one of the only non-disasters in the entire lineup. So when someone suggests we claim Juan f***ing Francisco and someone else says, "The last thing we need is a left-handed third baseman," that is a correct statement! Juan Francisco blows! Claiming a guy like that would be a total desperation hail mary to replace the only guy we have that's earning a starting spot right now. Congrats, Steve, you're somehow managing to be more negative than everyone else.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 01:55 PM) After hearing my second Jim Callis interview today on 670 The Score, I'm very confident Chicago will take Alex Gonzalez from Oral Roberts at 17. Seems like a bit of a reach to me. Seems like it would have been a reach a few months ago but that he has been flying up the boards lately. I actually think he'll get picked before 17.

1 in 5 days, it's fun to watch the Sox

Team is bad. Dunn is one of 7-9 serious problems.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 01:11 AM) Hey guys I am going up to Chicago in a week or so and going to a game. I was wondering if any of you guys sat in row 1 of sections 144-150?? Never sat in row 1 of the lower sections and wondering if any of you guys have and if has a good view or if it is better to sit a little bit higher? A Any insight would be great. Thanks guys I've never been row 1 at the bottom like that, I'd definitely try it out if I had the chance. However, I can say for sure that it's better to sit row 1 of the Upper Boxes than it is to sit 15-20 rows back in the lower reserved.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 31, 2013 -> 12:44 PM) I hope you aren't suggesting that I ever inferred that Gordon Beckham is the savior. I was the first to turn on that bust. No, not at all. It seems pretty clear that EVERYONE is a bust to you.

QUOTE (sammy esposito @ May 31, 2013 -> 10:40 AM) Brent Morel has hit .333 his last 10 games that I believe is the best we are going to get. Filling our roster out this year has become like streaming hot streaks in fantasy baseball. How low we've fallen.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 31, 2013 -> 09:39 AM) I can't find the quote, but IIRC, Doug Laumann went out of his way a few weeks ago to say that the catchers in the Sox organization were better than the top catchers in this draft. Yes, I saw this quotation too.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 31, 2013 -> 09:07 AM) I'll call it now. I don't think Francisco gets past the Cubs. But they have elite Luis Valbuena

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 31, 2013 -> 08:35 AM) SOXTALK MEATHEAD What twisted logic are you using here? Look at Juan Francisco's numbers real quick and tell me why you want him on this team.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 31, 2013 -> 10:05 AM) I don't understand this misperception. Beckham is really nothing special. Since 2010, his WARs are: 0.4, 1.0, 0.3 and 0.1 (this year). You can find Gordon Beckham in any farm system basically. His defense is also overrated, primarily because of Hawk's blabbering. Beckham gets no love because he isn't that good and as a first-round pick, he has basically been a bust. Yeah, cherry-picking seems to go only one way around here. Beckham had one good month after three bad years and is the savior, but Connor Gillaspie is bad because he has a .600 May OPS. WTF?

He's also becoming injury prone and is pretty bad defensively in CF. Still a nice player probably but he's not going to be the best use of that money for this team.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 31, 2013 -> 08:33 AM) Every year it's the same thing with the Soxtalk Meatheads, yes the SOXTALK MEATHEADS, I have defined you. You adopt some crap player on the roster and act like he's better than he really is or is finally figuring it out or just needs more time. We're not even including players like Gordon Beckham and Dayan Viciedo that you SOXTALK MEATHEADS refuse to see for what they are. Conor Gillaspie is the latest in a long line of scrubs who got a couple hits and you SOXTALK MEATHEADS adorned our great solution. Now there's a thread in which people discuss claiming another turd Juan Francisco and "the one thing we don't need is a solid hitting lefty 3B". Yeah, because that's Conor Gillaspie. Listen, this is baseball. Very rarely does a player like Gillaspie get released and all the sudden figure it out with a new ballclub. Conor Gillaspie is the 2013 Danny Richar. You will realize he sucks balls soon enough. Oh, his OPS for the month of May is .672. Moving forward, when I read something silly about a garbage player wearing the pale hose that is ridiculous, I will be replying to the poster declaring them to be a SOXTALK MEATHEAD. You've been warned. Gillaspie is a one-time first round draft pick that got knocked around a bit and was on the verge of busting. He's 25 years old, which is a perfectly reasonable age to start breaking out into the Major Leagues. Also, he's looking exactly like the player people projected when he was drafted except with better defense. There's a lot of reason to believe that he's just one-year late on his development path. He was available because SF was not going to bench Sandoval to give him a chance. He's not worse than f***ing Luis Valbuena.

Gordon Beckham gets the defensive edge over reigning Gold Glove and Fielding Bible award winner Darwin "One Error" Barney? The Darwin Barney fresh off a +14 UZR season that both SABR and "scouting" guys agree is an elite defensive second baseman? NOTE: While I think 2B and 3B are ridiculous, I agree completely with your opinion on the rotations. Not sure why everyone is laughing at that. SECOND NOTE: I would also say that the bullpen probably qualifies as a MASSIVE WIN. The Cubs bullpen is an absolute laughingstock, and their only decent RP just got shut down for Tommy John.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ May 30, 2013 -> 04:04 PM) I enjoy distancing myself from Soxtalk for awhile and then returning and reading through posts by the same members (often year to year) who cannot seem to recognize a White Sox team for what it is. I don't know if immersing yourself in every pitch of every game and then coming on here to discuss it every day removes you objectivity, but it's troubling in some cases. This is not a well constructed ballclub. They will not be winning in the playoffs. What else do you expect out of a losing game thread than venting? There's nothing more productive to be said that doesn't belong in a more focused thread.

QUOTE (Jillian Michaels' Abs @ May 30, 2013 -> 03:08 PM) The sox are swining early in counts. Obviously want this game to be over with. They've done that all year