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The question in this article was cast in the frame of reference of the Hall of Fame. Quintana's use of PEDs (doesn't even really matter whether or not it was intentional) did not help him one iota in his quest to reach the HOF. He was in the minors when he was caught, got released, and had to essentially start his career over. Players such as McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens, Ramirez, Palmiero, Petitte, Rodriguez, and Braun used PEDs in the midst of their major league careers, and their use directly increased their ability to compile statistics that led to HOF consideration. It's the difference between Frank Thomas being 18th on the all-time HR list and being 13th. He probably is getting in on the first ballot anyway, but without the stats compiled by the PED users he's getting 95%+ of the vote on the first ballot easy.

I wasn't 100% sure what angle he was going for there. To me, it sounded like he's saying that we shouldn't hold PED use against anybody because it didn't impact Quintana's major league numbers.

First of all, "sordid drug history" is very sensationalistic and Rob Neyer is a well enough known writer that he shouldn't have to resort to that. Secondly, Quintana never really accomplished anything before his positive test, so it's not anywhere near the same as Braun or ARod, who won MVP awards while on PEDs.

Yes, but I'm just saying that the 22 year old has two more years to "figure it out" than the 24 year old so I like his odds better.

Sale's AL ranks: ERA - 7th WHIP - 6th K/9 - 4th K/BB - 5th OPS - 3rd All this time while pitching in a hitter-friendly park and not getting to face his own team's pathetic offense. If you factor in park and lineup adjustments, he's either the first or second best pitcher in the AL depending on where you look.

So you're saying you expect Viciedo to have a ridiculous spike in production the year before he hits free agency? Or are you saying people should stop touching Viciedo's head?

Magglio is my second-favorite all time Sox player born on 1/28/74.

Biggest problem is that the Sox don't have enough division games on the schedule: vs AL Central: 12-31 (.279) vs all others: 30-38 (.441)

That's true, except that Garcia is two years younger and has a wider range of potential paths. In the last two years, Viciedo has gone from where Garcia is now to the lower end of that range.

In a cruel twist of irony, their playoff chances will be dashed by losing several games to the last place White Sox.

We're in bizarro mode now. We start 'LOSER' threads when the Sox lose and the same poster has to carry over to the next game thread after losses.

Nobody is giving a 38 year old 1B/DH who put up a .657 OPS in his age 37 season a 2-3 year deal. Best offer he is going to get is a 1-year offer in the $3-5M range with an option year from an AL team that has no other options at 1B/DH and is hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. The question for Paul is whether or not it's worth moving to a new city for that much money when he has his family and house (which I believe I've heard reported as 16,000 square feet) waiting for him in Arizona.

Started a thread in ticket exchange, http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...t&p=2852816 but in case you don't check there I'm looking for 2 cheap tix for Saturday vs MIN.

Sox have an entire game's worth of hits already and still no outs in the first.

Just released to stores: Updated Tigers 2012 Championship Banner:

Yes. 14 game lead on 8/5/05

Irrelevant. With the Sox offense, any go-ahead HR by the opposing team is a walkoff, home or away.

#WhiteSox lineup for 8/5: Ramirez 6, Keppinger 5, Rios 9, Konerko 3, Dunn DH, Beckham 4, Viciedo 7, Wells 8, Phegley 2. Quintana 1.

Braves have a 12.5 game division lead on August 5. Last team to have a bigger lead on this date????

Olbermann has never let facts get in the way of his opinions before. Why should he start now?

Also no truth to rumors #HickoryHuskers is offering #Anybody cash to dust Keith Olbermann.

What ARod supposedly did was far more serious than what Melky did. I don't think that comparison is going to buy Arod anything.

Except that he's appealing so depending on how long the appeal takes it will spill over into 2015.

May just be a side effect of Miami being the focal point of this clinic.

DO IT!!!!!!! I would buy mlb.tv just to watch Dunn bat leadoff.